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peekay



Joined: 23 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:32 pm    Post subject: English vs American Reply with quote

Hi all, first post here so be nice Smile

I'm just starting to consider my first TEFL job, hopefully in Korea but wonder if the fact that I'm english rather than American and 37 rather than 24 will go against me? I've got a BA in Humanities, teaching experience (maths and computing in a prison!) and am doing an online TEFL (yes, I know!!) to get some basic knowledge - hope to do some conversation with asian women in my community in next couple of months.

I'm hoping to start somewhere in Jan/Feb so when would you advise I start contacting schools and recruiters (and which is best?!!!)

Really excited about the whole prospect at the moment!

Cheers

PK
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lajzar



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
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Location: Saitama-ken, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, being English *will* be held against you in Korea. I was actually dismissd from one job because I di not have a US accent; this was despite the fact that the original advert was in a British newspaper.

Certainly, there are worse places you could start an EFL career in. But...
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hamel



Joined: 03 May 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this should not be a problem for you. in busan it is difficult to find americans at the moment. many british and canadians. i've found the brits very kind and i think a good school will appreciate you also. just choose carefully because at private language schools the employer has the upper hand concerning your work visa. have you investigated the public schools (epik)?
best wishes,
hamel
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peekay



Joined: 23 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies, I guessed being English would put me at a bit of a disadvantage! I'm not daunted by the prospect and am carrying on with the research. I still think a private school would be better for my first job, dont fancy going in at the deep end with a class of 40 or so!! Keeping an open mind for the time being though.

I'm looking to start in Jan/Feb (need that long to get my house in a rentable state!) so EPIK isn't suitable for my needs, but thanks for the suggestion!
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XXX



Joined: 14 Feb 2003
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Location: Where ever people wish to learn English

PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it would depend on the region you come from. I have seen teachers with strong regional accents have a bad time teaching. Most schools prefer a flat midwestern American or Canadian accent. I have had students complain that they couldn't understand what there teachers were saying if their accent was, say, Scottish or from some of the southern regions of the US. If you speak "public school" english, you should have no problems.
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Ki



Joined: 23 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is amazing how some 'native English speakers' can teach English when I can't even understand them. I don't think being English passport wise will put you at too much of a disadvantage. Many schools request a Nth American accent but often the reality is they will get whoever they can. Usually the biggest factor is that you look like a native speaker, ie white. That is certainly the biggest prerequisite in Taiwan anyway.

Lajzar- I don't think most people would be able to tell the difference between an English and American accent. Unless it was something totally unrecognisable like Scottish. <insert gross generalisation emoticon here> It was probably just a convenient excuse.
Ki.
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Taishan



Joined: 30 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good is English is good English.

It annoys me that the birthplace of a language is considered lesser than a place that has adopted it as the national language.

However good English whether CNN or BBC is just that, correct, and not very different.

I'm English, yet teach American English, as the school books are in American English, and I want to avoid student confusion. I can do this easily because I have had my whole life bombarded with American culture.
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tbiehl2000



Joined: 22 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:44 am    Post subject: Aren't Americans at a disadvantage? Reply with quote

As an American I feel I am at a disadvantage. I can't work in the EU and British people can...right? Or at least it is much more difficult for me. No big deal as I am considering working in non-EU countries but from what I understand, I would have a heck of a time getting an English teaching job in an EU country.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Aren't Americans at a disadvantage? Reply with quote

tbiehl2000 wrote:
As an American I feel I am at a disadvantage. I can't work in the EU and British people can...right? Or at least it is much more difficult for me. No big deal as I am considering working in non-EU countries but from what I understand, I would have a heck of a time getting an English teaching job in an EU country.



The UK is part of the EU (and many people in the UK actually speak English). This makes it easier to work in the EU. Americans (and Canadians) are at a disadvantage when it comes to working in the EU because neither of those countries is a member of the EU.
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mjed9



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taishan wrote:
It annoys me that the birthplace of a language is considered lesser than a place that has adopted it as the national language.


Adopted? Did the American settlers have a real choice? It was the only one available...

Recently I have noticed a slight upturn in interest in British accents (although to be truthful it is slight). I have a few students who are interested in "learning" British English.
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El Llama



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Taishan wrote:
It annoys me that the birthplace of a language is considered lesser than a place that has adopted it as the national language.



Adopted? Did the American settlers have a real choice? It was the only one available...


Actually, there was some talk of adopting German after the War of Independence, but nothing came of it. Good thing too; any language that calls a nipple a "breastwart" is rooted in unattractiveness. Wink
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Chris_Crossley



Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:12 am    Post subject: English or French? Reply with quote

El Llama wrote:
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There was some talk of adopting German after the War of Independence, but nothing came of it.


I once read that the US Congress had a vote in 1789 as to whether to adopt either French or English as the official language of government in the then-nascent USA. English allegedly won by just ONE vote. History could have been so much different if the vote had gone the other way...
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mjed9



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops Embarassed I obviously stand corrected! Thanks for the info! (I think)
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