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A.K.A.T.D.N.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:20 pm    Post subject: The New Law Reply with quote

I don't fully understand this new law. Is it you can't teach kindergartners anywhere, or is it just you can't teach kids under seven years of age at schools other than bushibans? What's a bushiban and what isn't, and can you get deported if you don't know the difference and are caught teaching at one of these illegal schools?
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wombat



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:48 am    Post subject: Re: The New Law Reply with quote

Good questions, let's see if we can get to the bottom of it shall we.

A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote:
I don't fully understand this new law.


Firstly, it isn't a new law. It has never been legal for foreigners to teach in kindergartens. The reason that it has all come to the fore is that around a year ago there was some loosening of the regulations that permitted foreigners to teach within certain kindergarten programs. This was quickly repealed under protest from certain factions, and the result has been more publicity of the law that has always been in place.

The prohibition of foreigners teaching English in kindergartens is based upon two principles:

1. It has been suggested, but not proven, that students studying within an all English environment at a young age may not develop their native language skills as well as those that attend Chinese pre-schools. Therefore whilst it is not illegal for kindergarten aged children to be taught English as a seperate subject, it is illegal for the students to be taught all of their subjects (art, science, math etc.) in a medium other than Chinese. Most of the kindergartens that employ native English speakers at the kindergarten level are therefore employing teachers illegally. If you have a salary position within a kindergarten school, that sees you teaching the students for more than a couple of hours a day then you are working illegally!!!

2. In order to qualify for a work permit to work here in Taiwan foreignstaff must be able to offer something that locals cannot. This is the same situation in most countries whereby a government wishes to protect the rights of local workers. The list of approved positions for foreign workers does not include work within kindergartens, and this is no doubt based upon the above. Therefore, it is impossible for an employer to receive a work permit for you to work within a kindergarten program. If you are currently working within a kindergarten program only, and your school has issued you with an ARC for work purposes then you are working illegally!! Check the Chinese employer name on your ARC with the registered Chinese name of the school that you are working at (this should be on a certificate on the wall in the school), and you will see that these are not the same.


A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote:
Is it you can't teach kindergartners anywhere, or is it just you can't teach kids under seven years of age at schools other than bushibans?


It is not illegal for kids under seven years of age to study English. It is only illegal for them to study English in an English immersion program. Should a young child attend a class that you are teaching legally within a buxiban that you have an ARC with then there is no problem.

A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote:
hat's a bushiban and what isn't, and can you get deported if you don't know the difference and are caught teaching at one of these illegal schools?


A buxiban is generally a short term cram school registered as a 'duan chi bu xi ban'. Most preschools are registered as a 'yo zhi yuan'. Many,but not all, of the cram schools can employ foreigners. No preschool/kindergartens can. Therefore what generally happens is that a preschool will register the teacher through a cram school to get a work permit and ARC, and then have them teach illegally within a kindergarten. Many such teacher are unaware of their illegal status.

Although legally possible, it is very unlikely that a foreign teacher with an ARC caught teaching in a kindergarten would be deported for this as the authorities recognize that the school is at fault in these cases. If you are caught working illegally without an ARC then you would be fined and deported.
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Taylor



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Wombat,

Thanks for the informative post. Folks like you make the esl cafe a place worth visiting.

Keep up the good work.

Sincerely,

Taylor
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not illegal for you to teach children under 6 years of age. It is prohibited by decree of the Ministry of Education for kindergartens or buxi bans to teach English to children under 6. The Ministry of Education has no authority to deport anyone. They no longer have any control over the visa process for teachers unless you are employed directly by them.
That means you cannot be legally deported for teaching children under 6 years of age. Unfortunately you can legally be illegally deported. Decrees like this one issued by the Ministry of Education are made for the express purpose of extortion. That means money is involved. Anytime money is involved the laws are interpreted and enforced in the most peculiar ways. Once you have been deported there is no way for you to challenge it legally unless you have some very powerful friends with a lot of quanxi.
Many kindergartens also have a buxi ban license for the same or adjoining premises. That means you can be employed by the buxi ban but not the kindergarten even though they are in the same building and classrooms. Students under 6 in a buxi ban kindergarten class are prohibited by the Republic of China from learning English. If the school should get caught teaching students under 6, the school gets fined and one of their licenses may be revoked or not depending on certain factors that may or may not determine what is or is not in violation of this directive.
What I am saying is that the laws are meaningless. You are a foreigner and can be deported at any time at the whims of the local authorities.
There is no rule of law in Taiwan but there is rule of corruption.
Learn how to live and work in this type of enviroment and you will be fine. The first thing you have to do is learn how to lie.
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native language skills

Children don't need to learn their native language skills they already have them by the time they go to pre school. What they don't have is Chinese language skills and many students never learn Chinese proficiently until they go to public school for three to six years.
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wombat



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The legislation relevant to this discussion is as follows. Unfortunately it is in Chinese, and although English translations are available, they generally do not contain the most recent changes:

In 1981 the government promulgated the Preschool Education Law 幼稚教育法
In 1983 Measures for Encouraging Private Preschool Development 私立幼稚園獎勵辦法

This article is one of the more recent on the subject and gets to the crux of the matter with quotes such as this one:
"The ministry aims to ban illegal cram schools and unregistered kindergartens. We don't mean to ban English teaching totally," - Wu Tsai-shung (吳財順), the director of the ministry's Department of Elementary and Junior High School Education.

And another And another similar article contains the following:
"The ministry only regulated in the curriculum outline for kindergarten education that kindergartens cannot teach kids by subjects as elementary schools do," said Lin Wei-Chih (林威志), an official with the ministry's Department of Primary Education. "The ministry suggested that English learning is supposed to be a small part of kindergarten education rather than the main objective."

This article pretty clearly outlines the situation regarding licensing arrangements of kindergartens and buxibans.

Here is an example from March 2003 of why things have become so confusing:
Rules eased on foreigners
� The relaxed measure was part of an amendment to the Employment Services Act (就業服務法), which was passed by the Legislative Yuan recently and promulgated by President Chen Shui-bian (陳水扁) on Tuesday. Also stipulated in the amendment was that public and private high schools through kindergartens can employ foreign nationals as language teachers. �

This article fairly well sums up the confusion exhibited by many regarding English as a subject of study for young children

This article outlines the real situation involving the teaching of English in Taiwan and the employment of foreigners to do so, with quotes such as this:
�Lin estimated that of roughly 6,000 private kindergartens and nurseries nationwide, nearly 80 percent illegally employ foreign teachers.�

Aristotle wrote:
That means you cannot be legally deported for teaching children under 6 years of age.


This is true to a certain extent. You would not get deported for teaching these kids, you would get deported for working illegally.

Aristotle wrote:
Children don't need to learn their native language skills they already have them by the time they go to pre school. What they don't have is Chinese language skills and many students never learn Chinese proficiently until they go to public school for three to six years.


I am not arguing either way. I am merely stating the reasoning behind the banning of English immersion programs for young children. I am a bit confused by what you may consider to be the diference between 'native language skills' and 'Chinese language skills'. Of course there are several dialects here in Taiwan, but the official language is Mandarin Chinese. When I and others refer to the native language skills of Taiwanese people, we are referring to their Chinese language ability.
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