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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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easyasabc,
You are one of the people who has made this claim and not come through with names of places. The one on your link has a New York address to apply to, which suggests that you can interview outside of Japan, but it does not clearly say so. I'll add that place (American Eikaiwa Gakuin) to my list with reservations.
As for the three others in your area, why don't you list their names? I believe you mentioned this same remark in an earlier post but could not even come up with the names of the places. Very frustrating.
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Those jobs do exist you just have to be lucky to see them advertised. |
There are probably more than the ones on my list, but I have been here for 6 years and have seen only those on the list advertising that they hire and offer visas. If it's not in the ad, or if someone cannot substantiate that a place does both of these things, I don't feel comfortable putting it on the list. |
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Sam Adams

Joined: 26 May 2003 Posts: 23
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Interac hires couples and does its best to place them together in the same city. I trained with two pairs of couples and a year later two friends from the States who were dating did the same thing. Interac placed them both in Narita. |
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easyasabc
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 179 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
easyasabc,
You are one of the people who has made this claim and not come through with names of places. |
It's not that I couldn't "come through with the names of places". Clearly if I worked for a certain place I know their name and where they are. I just chose not to answer your PM requesting the names of said places so that you could add them to your list. What's the point of all those names on a list? A list of places might be useful if people are going to send resumes to them but I personally don't think that's good way to find a job here so I haven't bothered giving you the names.
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As for the three others in your area, why don't you list their names? I believe you mentioned this same remark in an earlier post but could not even come up with the names of the places. Very frustrating. |
Frustrating for you perhaps????? I imagine that may be the case because you are shouting!
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There are probably more than the ones on my list |
Well if you think that is the case perhaps you should not use statements such as: "Only 10 places hire/recruit and sponsor visas from abroad."
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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It's not that I couldn't "come through with the names of places". Clearly if I worked for a certain place I know their name and where they are. |
You wrote in another thread that you knew of 3 places in the Hiroshima and/or Shimane areas that do this type of thing. That pretty much leads me to believe that you know the names of the places. If you don't, then why even bother stating that they exist? Doing so doesn't help anyone, which is the whole point of this forum.
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I just chose not to answer your PM requesting the names of said places so that you could add them to your list. |
I also requested this publicly, which you chose to ignore as well. This makes the second time you have made a bold announcement but failed to deliver the goods.
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What's the point of all those names on a list? |
Are you for real??? As I wrote above, letting people know this kind of information is what this board is all about. If you can't divulge information, why bother "teasing" people with nebulous remarks that you can't support?
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A list of places might be useful if people are going to send resumes to them but I personally don't think that's good way to find a job here so I haven't bothered |
Which is it, abc??? You didn't bother (which implies you do know the names), or you really don't know the names of these places???
How else are people going to find out about where to apply for jobs if they don't have names of places to which to apply? Your logic totally escapes me!
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Well if you think that is the case perhaps you should not use statements such as: "Only 10 places hire/recruit and sponsor visas from abroad." |
Pick, pick, pick. If I knew of more, or where to find them, I'd say so. You, on the other hand, say so, but cannot even provide a single name. I provide names of places. I just learned of another place, but I will not recommend it because of the terrible situation it led one person to.
Sam Adams,
I don't believe Interac sponsors visas. Do they? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Frustrating for you perhaps????? I imagine that may be the case because you are shouting! |
Gee, how astute of you to see that it was frustrating to me. I imagine others trying to get this information found it equally so.
As for shouting, you are wrong.
This is emphasizing a point.
THIS IS SHOUTING. |
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kiracle
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 65 Location: Gifu, Japan
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski, I think you provide amazing information and I truly respect the admirable amount of patience and wisdom you show in helping and answering questions on this forum. However, I have to agree with easyasabc on this one.
Your statement that only 10 schools hire from abroad has always made me uncomfortable and seemed misleading. If you go right now to the international jobs board, the first four japan job posts that were not AEON or GEOS (all of which appear to be small private schools) offer visa sponsership or renewel. One even offers roundtrip airfare. From what there psoting says it sems that they are expecting to hire from abroad (why other wise mention things like airfare?) In my expereince of prowling the job board,which is far too frequent, this is in no way exceptional.
Probably the reason easyasabc doesn't want to give the names of schools is the same that I would prefer not to give mine although I was also hired from abroad. If the school is on a list it will be deluged with resumes when they have no intention of hiring anybody. When my school needs a new teacher or teachers they post it and then sort the resumes. To put my school's name on a list that would cause them annoyance and inconvience seems disrespectful to me.
Ohayo Sensei, too, often has postings from smaller schools that sometimes hire from abroad.
Cheers,
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps I need to clarify my definition. I have written this so many times that it sometimes doesn't come out the same each time.
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places that I know that hire from abroad and provide visa sponsorship |
I'm talking about places that go to your home country, interview you, and sponsor your work visa.
From those first four posts:
Ashikaga/Ota school offers visa sponsorship and renewal. It says nothing about coming to your home country to interview you. This is what I mean by hiring from abroad. You have to come to Japan for the interview. At best, Ashikaga/Ota says "Transportation to and from Japan is not arranged. " Nothing even about the possibility of a phone interview.
Second place is Earlham College. It's one of the places on my list.
Third place is Lingo School. They sponsor visas, all right, but they say nothing about where the interview takes place, or if it's a phone interview.
Fourth place is HRDC group. They prefer a working holiday visa, which means someone already in Japan. They would sponsor a visa if necessary, but again, they say nothing about where the interview takes place, or how.
Perhaps I'm being a bit too persnickety here, but I will not put places on my list unless it is very clear that they fit the requirements I have stated above:
1. come to your country to interview you there
2. provide visa sponsorship/renewal
I'll include phone interviews (such as what are done with Westgate), but I hope people realize just how risky this is. You AND the employer don't see each other, you can't see the office or staff, and you can't see your apartment in advance. I wouldn't take a phone interview for a job in my own home country, so I warn people of such a thing thousands of miles from their own home. I know something of Westgate's operation, so I'm comfortable with this on my list. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Probably the reason easyasabc doesn't want to give the names of schools is the same that I would prefer not to give mine although I was also hired from abroad. If the school is on a list it will be deluged with resumes when they have no intention of hiring anybody. |
We'll just let easyasabc answer that one. However, I doubt he is that altruistic about those 3 places he claims to know.
FWIW, I always tell people not to send resumes to places that are not advertising. It's just not worth it.
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Ohayo Sensei, too, often has postings from smaller schools that sometimes hire from abroad. |
I realize this, and if you can come up with names that fit my criteria, please let me know. I do not have the time to scour web sites as much as I used to. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
Third place is Lingo School. They sponsor visas, all right, but they say nothing about where the interview takes place, or if it's a phone interview.
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They do phone interviews and hire from abroad. DO NOT, DO NOT Teach there. They are crooks. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Gordon,
Do tell! What makes them crooks? |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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You want to know???
This info comes from a friend who applied and turned down the subsequent job offer. I also looked at the contract myself.
1. If you are sick and miss work, they subtract more pay than what you actually missed. They say it is because of the student's inconvenience.
2. If you leave before your 1 year contract expires, you are fined 1 million yen to compensate the school.
There is more but I can't remember all the details. Of course we know this is illegal, but who would want to work there? This also explains why they have a standard job advertisement every 2 months on Dave's. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Gordon wrote: |
You want to know???
This info comes from a friend who applied and turned down the subsequent job offer. I also looked at the contract myself.
1. If you are sick and miss work, they subtract more pay than what you actually missed. They say it is because of the student's inconvenience.
2. If you leave before your 1 year contract expires, you are fined 1 million yen to compensate the school.
There is more but I can't remember all the details. Of course we know this is illegal, but who would want to work there? This also explains why they have a standard job advertisement every 2 months on Dave's. |
Congratulations.
I read the comments you've written about Lingo School in Takamatsu. One has to work there to realize just how bad it is and why the School has earned the Nickname: LingoHell. I am one who managed to complete the full 12 months but it was the worse overseas assignment I have ever had.
I was threatened, stalked, policed, robbed, and it's true the owner and her manager will tape their conversations with foreign teachers without the teachers' knowledge.
The owner uses her manager(tall gorilla) to intimidate. Both are liars to a point of lying to judges in Court.
After 10 1/2 months, they reworte my contract to get out of paying the bonus they had undertaken to pay in the original contract.
The teaching facilities are deplorable and the working environment is generally poisoned.
I have tried to post warnings to prospective teachers but I can't get them to show up on Internet.
Just keep warning them. Thank you
The Japanese Immigration dept. asked foreign teachers to file complaints because the dept. wants grounds to STOP issuing visas for Lingo School but foreign teachers cowar away. Sorry, long message.
R. Martin
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Paul,
I have had a similar email from someone else who also worked at Lingo. Same kind of complaints as R. Martin
Is there any kind of screening process that Dave can do so as not to allow a place like Lingo to advertise? I know this site does not endorse their ads, but it does hurt the job ads' reputation if people get hired through this site and end up getting cheated dpwn the road. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:29 am Post subject: |
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I can send a mail to Dave and see what he says. Another one with a big red flag in Japan is Smiths School of English. Never worked for them but I have a rather close connection with some of the former franchisees and am involved in the discussion on gaijinpot (140 posts and going strong) |
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