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canuck
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Gordon is right....or I think so. I think they are both Canada's national sports now....if you exclude drinking.
moshimoshi...just post your finished version within the thread so we can just copy and paste it! 
About tipping...I'm also a firm believer that in a tipping country, the tip needs to be earned. If the server does a good job, then they will receive their 15-20%. I have no problems leaving no tip if the service or the food was not up to par. |
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mmmfood
Joined: 23 Aug 2004
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Location: Toronto at the moment
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:55 pm Post subject: tips |
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| The tips thing is kind of interesting. When I worked in LA for the summer as a hostess, I couldn't believe that the servers think the 15-20% tip (after tax) should be mandatory. Their justification is that regardless of how much tip they get, the government will tax them on the final amount anyway. Even if they give the worst service in the world, they think that they should get tipped regardless so they can pay their taxes. Now the slight difference that I notice here at home in Toronto, is that we tip the amount same as the taxes, which is 15%. Or, it's about 11% of the total after tax. 15% or 11% of the final amount is the difference I notice between the two cities. Now, I don't know if this is the same across the US, so feel free to correct me. Of course, if you think your server did an exceptional job, you can always tip more. |
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Lovechild
Joined: 16 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:51 am Post subject: Re: Culture Quiz |
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I once spent three months in the U.S. and had lover at the time we ate out. She was working in a restaurant.
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Lovechild. Lover is used if you are having an affair with a married man (uwaki no koibito or ai-jin)
PaulH, English is my second language what you excuse? Lover definition is from dictionary: lover somebody's sexual partner, especially if the two are not married to each other.
The lady in the U.S. was just my girlfriend, I also had boyfriend at same time, but they found out each other and became jealous. I have learn lesson and so now I am in a relationship with married couple. This is refreshing because husband and wife not get jealous over me. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:03 am Post subject: Re: Culture Quiz |
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| Lovechild wrote: |
PaulH, English is my second language what you excuse? Lover definition is from dictionary: lover somebody's sexual partner, especially if the two are not married to each other.
The lady in the U.S. was just my girlfriend, I also had boyfriend at same time, but they found out each other and became jealous. I have learn lesson and so now I am in a relationship with married couple. This is refreshing because husband and wife not get jealous over me. |
In English if you have a boyfriend and you are sleeping with him, in English we dont say hes your lover as its assumed that is what you do with a 'kareshi' as opposed to 'male friends'
using "lovers" to describe unmarried boyfriends sounds strange but my Japanese university students tell me they have lovers all the time, when they really mean boyfriends. I only say this beciase japanese confuse "koibito" with "lover" when they are not really the same thing.
If you want to be in a love-triangle or a three-some with a married couple thats your business, but you didnt explain that in the beginning. |
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Lovechild
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| It not make sense. If you love someone isn't that your lover? Dictionary say that lover is when two people not married but love each other. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Lovechild wrote: |
| It not make sense. If you love someone isn't that your lover? Dictionary say that lover is when two people not married but love each other. |
My two Japanese dictionaries say "ai-jin" or a "joufu" (paramour).
Lovers yes, but usually in an illicit or forbidden relationship (uwaki etc)
If you think having an affair with or loving someone else's husband is normal, all power to you.
Also both lovers can be married but having an affair with a person who is not their husband or wife i.e. both are cheating on their spouses. This means they both have lovers they are not married to, but they are married themselves. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:41 am Post subject: |
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PS My wife is Japanese, I love my wife, but that doesnt make her my lover. If I have an affair, my girlfriend or "aijin" will be my lover.
that is the common understanding of the term "lovers".
PS It also used to be used bewteen gay and lesbian couples though i have no idea what they call each other. |
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Lovechild
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| PAULH wrote: |
PS My wife is Japanese, I love my wife, but that doesnt make her my lover. If I have an affair, my girlfriend or "aijin" will be my lover.
that is the common understanding of the term "lovers".
PS It also used to be used bewteen gay and lesbian couples though i have no idea what they call each other. |
But if you not married to your wife, and were only dating her then she would be your lover!?! |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Lovechild wrote: |
But if you not married to your wife, and were only dating her then she would be your lover!?! |
No, she would be my girlfriend or fiancee. |
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Lovechild
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| Lovechild wrote: |
But if you not married to your wife, and were only dating her then she would be your lover!?! |
No, she would be my girlfriend or fiancee. |
Is that all English, America, Canada, UK, New Zealand and Australia. My Canadian friend says different. He say boyfriend and girlfriend is what kids say, and adult say lover. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| Lovechild wrote: |
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But if you not married to your wife, and were only dating her then she would be your lover!?! |
No, she would be my girlfriend or fiancee. |
Is that all English, America, Canada, UK, New Zealand and Australia. My Canadian friend says different. He say boyfriend and girlfriend is what kids say, and adult say lover. |
I dont know about Canadians but I know people in their 40's and 50's not married and have girlfriends. never heard them call their partners lovers (which has a more romantic, sexual connotation, rather than a label for a particular relationship)
How old is your friend? |
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Lovechild
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| PAULH wrote: |
| Lovechild wrote: |
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| Lovechild wrote: |
But if you not married to your wife, and were only dating her then she would be your lover!?! |
No, she would be my girlfriend or fiancee. |
Is that all English, America, Canada, UK, New Zealand and Australia. My Canadian friend says different. He say boyfriend and girlfriend is what kids say, and adult say lover. |
I dont know about Canadians but I know people in their 40's and 50's not married and have girlfriends. never heard them call their partners lovers (which has a more romantic, sexual connotation, rather than a label for a particular relationship)
How old is your friend? |
My friend in early 40s, but acts in 20s. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:54 am Post subject: |
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How old is your friend? |
My friend in early 40s, but acts in 20s.[/quote]
Maybe he never grew up and still thinks like an 18 year old. |
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Lovechild
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How old is your friend? |
My friend in early 40s, but acts in 20s. |
Maybe he never grew up and still thinks like an 18 year old.[/quote]
Maybe. Now I want to know truth on correct to say. I heard song that say, "She's my lover and friend..." English difficult more than Japanese. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Lovechild wrote: |
| [Maybe. Now I want to know truth on correct to say. I heard song that say, "She's my lover and friend..." English difficult more than Japanese. |
Song lyrics are like poetry set to music. People dont speak like that in real life (maybe they do in Canada) nor do they speak in rhymes.
Grammatically correct, yes. linguistically appropriate in everyday life? no, not unless you are fooling around with someone. Not in my book anyway. Maybe someone else thinks differently. |
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