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nrandserial
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 Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:04 pm Post subject: MLI no more. |
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How will this forum survive the demise of the bumbling comedy that was MLI? HCT is taking it over. Great news for the serious EFL practioners there. This is hot off the press - more to follow.  |
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django
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:11 am Post subject: |
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HCT 'taking over'? Don't get too excited. It looks like the same old middle administration (expat coordinators) working straight to GHQ with some sort of liaison with HCT/CERT imposed obliquely(?)  . Only the nationals in uniform are leaving. |
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Bindair Dundat
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:32 am Post subject: MLI an item no more? |
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| nrandserial wrote: |
| How will this forum survive the demise of the bumbling comedy that was MLI? HCT is taking it over. Great news for the serious EFL practioners there. This is hot off the press - more to follow. |
The demise of the MLI? That would make a good story, now wouldn't it? CERT http://cert.hct.ac.ae/ is part of HCT, yes, but when you say "HCT is taking over" you give an impression that is not borne out by the facts. The people and departments at HCT who most of us know from our adventures in EFL are not involved in the management shift.
The whole operation looks to me like a way of transferring some money from GHQ to somebody's cousin at HCT. If CERT has any other agenda, they appear in no hurry to trot it out.
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nrandserial
Joined: 20 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:41 pm Post subject: HCT ARE taking over, BD. |
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The eloquent fellow that talked to us today is the head of HCT Men's College, Abu Dhabi, Dr Tayeb Kamali. The guy who will be the chief architect of the transition is also from the HCT Men's College in Abu Dhabi. The next contracts to be signed by the teachers will be with HCT, providing the teachers meet the requirements. The future direction of MLI is in the hands of HCT. It is not being subsumed by another college - it will just become another HCT campus. So, in what way is HCT not taking us over, BD?  |
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Bindair Dundat
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:04 am Post subject: Re: HCT ARE taking over, BD. |
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| nrandserial wrote: |
| The eloquent fellow that talked to us today is the head of HCT Men's College, Abu Dhabi, Dr Tayeb Kamali. |
Yes, he is a Director of ADMC; but he is also the Managing Director & Chief Executive Officer of CERT. He was introduced in the meeting in the latter capacity, and his remarks seemed to reflect his responsibilities in that position and not his position as a Director of ADMC.
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| The guy who will be the chief architect of the transition is also from the HCT Men's College in Abu Dhabi. |
I don't know where he is "from," or even what you mean by that, but he, too, was presented as a member of CERT.
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| The next contracts to be signed by the teachers will be with HCT, providing the teachers meet the requirements. |
I didn't hear that -- but what do you mean by "with"? I heard that teachers will still be contracted by GHQ. I would assume that CERT will convey the contracts, but I don't know if they will author them or fulfill them.
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| The future direction of MLI is in the hands of HCT. It is not being subsumed by another college - it will just become another HCT campus. So, in what way is HCT not taking us over, BD? |
Your understanding of the situation differs from mine considerably. I don't know where you got your information, but no one in that meeting was anywhere near as specific as you are being. I cannot explain your interpretation; perhaps you can. However, I cannot imagine that a portion of a military base will be allowed by GHQ to become a college campus, and I do not believe that GHQ will cede control of its training programs or of its civilian employees in those programs to HCT. Anything is possible, of course, but I don't believe that the current information supports your contentions.
I believe, from what I heard in the meeting and from what I heard from my coordinator, that CERT was hired to replace the layer of management that is now occupied by military personnel and to provide some management expertise that is now lacking, in the way that AMIDEAST provided such expertise.
In any case -- so what? Worse things than what you project can happen and have happened. The kind of transformation that you predict could be a very good thing for the MLI and for its teachers. HCT offers a better deal than the MLI, and HCT is better run. What would be the problem?
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bobo_the_circus_chimp
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| I have heard that HCT/CERT managed Khalifa Air College for a couple of years and actaully lost the contract. That is "cert"ainly (pardon the pun) food for thought. I have also heard they do not typically offer "HCT" contracts but instead have their own seperate contracts. These were not particularly attractive a few years ago. While we have been told they will honor current contracts this will be a major consideration for 3/4 of the staff that will be coming up for renewal next year. Time wil tell. |
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nowasta
Joined: 16 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:32 am Post subject: |
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What are they going to hit us with next?
YIKES! |
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Bindair Dundat
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| bobo_the_circus_chimp wrote: |
| I have heard that HCT/CERT managed Khalifa Air College for a couple of years and actaully lost the contract. That is "cert"ainly (pardon the pun) food for thought. |
Sure is. One might wonder why they would be re-hired by GHQ if such were the case, but I've found that looking for reasonable explanations in this part of world is often an exercise in futility.
| bobo_the_circus_chimp wrote: |
| I have also heard they do not typically offer "HCT" contracts but instead have their own seperate contracts. |
So with one ear I hear one thing, with the other ear I hear something different... it's all speculation.
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| Time wil tell. |
Yes.
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django
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:43 am Post subject: Watch and wait |
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| nrandserial wrote: |
| The eloquent fellow that talked to us today is the head of HCT Men's College, Abu Dhabi, Dr Tayeb Kamali.: |
Didn't Dr J talk about 'streamlining' existing MLI contracts? Anyone experienced this before? |
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grand fromage
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I agree with you BD. I don't know which meeting nrandserial attended, but no mention was made of the things he brings up. MLI is still just that. The only difference is that it has a new management. Well, at least till we're told otherwise in another sudden and sugarcoated B.S. meeting      |
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Bindair Dundat
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| grand fromage wrote: |
I agree with you BD.
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YOU agree with ME? Good lord, Fromage, this can only end in disaster.
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mli_vet
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:26 pm Post subject: Management, schmanagement . . . |
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Management, schmanagement . . . I'd just like the money owing plz. "Wayn salary, minfudruck?" Will this get any easier w/ new HCT groomed overlords?
MLI Vet
Over and Out
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zakiah25
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:26 am Post subject: who'll take the rap now? |
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For the past 12 months, the present crop of administrators have blamed the previous Amideast administration for many ongoing problems at MLI. Who will be held responsible now that HCT has taken over? Perhaps the "new broom" should sweep the place entirely clean as the current batch of co-ordinators are now falling over themselves to implement many changes often without explanation.
What were they doing for the past 12 months? |
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grand fromage
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| Zakiah, my guess is that they were too busy marking their territory and trying to sound more important than they ever were. This is why this is just too funny Seriously, there are a couple of guys who meant well; the rest was just busy playing big shots (grand fromages and being pretty much useless. BTW, I hope the CERT people are reading this thread |
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tefllifer
Joined: 13 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Hi GF and MLI posters
Do keep us innformed - this is a totally fascinating situation. So amany questions spring to mind - like who will deal with all the paperwork that the military and civilian personnel used to do when those people leave (and will all those guys get new jobs or are they being made redundant or what?), and who will deal with GHQ and contractual problems, and what about how will orders for new books or equipment be dealt with, or practical things like housing, maintenance, tickets, mail and so on.
What HCT personnel have you got and what is their mission? Are they visible and approachable? And what's the heirarchy these days?
So many questions - and, just guessing here - so few answers.
Let's get the next instalment. |
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