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sherylynnb
Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:23 pm Post subject: need info changchun,Qingdao,tianjin please |
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if you have info on teaching at a primary or int'l school in these cities please email [email protected] speed necessary  |
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Freedom
Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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I am currently negotiating for a position in Changchun. I too have questions. Perhaps we can pull our info together. What did you need to know?
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Captain Yossarian
Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 385 Location: Dongbei
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
There's loads of information about Changchun in earlier threads here. Do a search for 'Changchun'. Quick tip - wherever you end up here make sure it is not Tianshuo, Tianyuan, Simon's English School or Columbia. The latter has been written about more than any other school in China due to the fact that they were taken to court in Canada and the first two are absolute snakes that every single expat in Changchun will tell you to avoid.
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:15 am Post subject: |
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All these towns are in the NE of China, thus within the temperate zone, which means it gets pretty hot in summer -with the exception of Changchun, I would say), and terribly cold in winter (less so in Qingdao).
You have already, no doubt, inferred that Qingdao must be the southernmost place of these three ones; good; now why would you want to come to this part of China in the first place?
I would vote for Tianjin:
- because it's very close to Peking, which means it is within convenient
travelling distance to a place with all the amenities you might crave; it take less than 2 hours by train between those two cities. And the surroundings of Peking have a lot of sightseeing options to offer.
But you must be aware of the climate-related problems - winters so cold you will be muffled up under three layers of clothes; they heat with coal, and in spring and autumn expect a lot of dust in the air...
Changchun
because it has wide boulards, relatively clean air and is a spaced-out place rather than compact and condensed like most Chinese towns are. What would turn me off there is the sterile social life and cultural activities. Not many overly interesting travelling destinations in its vicinity. Changbaishan - if you care for winter sports. North Korean border...
Qingdao:
My favourite, since this town has a charm of its own owing to its European downtown architecture and cool coastal climate. The hinterland is attractive too if you like to see vineyards and more coasts. Scenic spots abound in Shandong province and neighbouring areas. I used to spend every weekend in a different place just to get to know that part of China.
I also found Shandongers rather cordial - perhaps influenced by the former beer-swilling German overlords. |
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Captain Yossarian
Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 385 Location: Dongbei
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Roger wrote: |
Changchun
because it has wide boulards, relatively clean air and is a spaced-out place rather than compact and condensed like most Chinese towns are. What would turn me off there is the sterile social life and cultural activities. Not many overly interesting travelling destinations in its vicinity. Changbaishan - if you care for winter sports. North Korean border...
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Hi Roger,
I am repeating what was said on an earlier Changchun thread but I think it has a great social life and the cultural activities are OK. Puyi's Palace has been properly restored over the last two years, Nan Hu Park (adjacent to the lake) is one of the most unspoilt parks in China - there are some great trails for biking/walking. The ice festival in Haerbin is only 3 hours away by train and Beijing is only 8 hours away on the new Z train (as is Dalian). Yabuli, China's main ski resort, is not too far away either. Western outlets (if you want them) are proliferating - 3 Walmarts, 2 French Bakeries (from next week), 2 Thai places, a whole bar district on Longli Lu, Subway etc
Changchun's summer, especially August - September, is very pleasant. Days and days of deep blue skies. It can rain a lot in June and July. It is cold in winter but I actually found Qingdao much colder. CC can get to -30C occasionally and QD rarely gets below -10C but the wind whipping up from the sea makes it feel SO much colder!
Qingdao is a great city but it is isolated. If you want to travel anywhere you have to get a train back to Jinan (at least 4 hours) before advancing futher. You can take boats from Yantai to Dalian though, those save a lot of time of you want to go from Qingdao to Dongbei.
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Sechelt
Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 35
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Qingdao gets my vote (though, I must admit: I've never been to TJ). The sea, beaches, moderate climate and, as Roger pointed out, friendly people make QD a nice smallish coastal city.
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Qingdao is a great city but it is isolated. If you want to travel anywhere you have to get a train back to Jinan (at least 4 hours) before advancing futher. |
This is not, quite true. Being out on a peninsula is, perhaps, not the most convenient of locations. However, it is not necessary to go via Jinan, to get around. To get to Beijing, or other points North or West, the connection may be necessary. On the other hand, I once went from Shanghai to Tai Shan, by-passing Jinan all together. Tai Shan to QD is a short, easy trip.
As for boats from Yantai (across the peninsula from QD- 1 hour, by train ) to Dalian, they are a mixed blessing. A friend of mine did the trip in early Oct., last year. Yes, it cut a great deal of time off his return to Dalian. However, most Chinese don't have sea legs- with even small waves, many passengers were spewing breakfast into whatever containers they could find. Sorry for the description. But, fair warning to those considering making the trip. As for me, it took the romantic ideal out of my mind.
The trouble with Chungchun, or almost any other inland city in China: it's dirty, polluted and the people not especially friendly. Being a coastal city, QD is regularly cleansed by breezes/winds from the sea. Positioned on the Southern side of the peninsula (in turn, on the South-Eastern edge of the Yellow Sea), QD recieves a degree of protection from the frigid winds racing down from Siberia in Winter (not so in Dalian).
This isn't to say Chungchun is a bad place to live and work. My wife attended Dongbei University in CC and found it a reaonably good city to live in. Personally, given a choice, I can think of many places I'd rather be. |
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