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[MW]

Egas -

We know all about those 8,000 Beijing doctors who the acting Mayor of Beijing says are not capable of performing a simple tracheotomy.

Yes, by all means, trust what they say!

Or was it the new Mayor who was wrong and should he also be fired?

[Egas]

I find the whole phenomenon of rumors very intriguing. What I find even more intriguing is that I never hear any myself. I'm being totally honest here. Maybe people just perceive me as being closed to them or something. I can also honestly say I haven't spent one second thinking about or contemplating any rumors in the last month or so. It probably comes back to my spiritual philosophy of life. Having done a lot of introspection and practiced meditative techniques I have seen that so much fear in life is unnecessary. Leonard Jacobson, one of my teachers once said "It is better to remain in a state if ignorance than to go into the mind in search of an answer." He defined the mind as the fearful, neurotic part of ourselves. So I have learnt not to buy into bulls..t, my own bulls..t included.

I also think we have a responsibilty to the people around us, and to the communities we live in to remain grounded, and not allow ourselves to be sucked into the fear and paranoia that many people are so easily sucked into. This is especially true for us as teachers, whose job it is to nurture (mostly) young minds.

[Egas]

MW,

Dr Spengler's comment about the authorities in Beijing doing a good job was mostly in reference to their strictness in isolating suspected cases. I don't think he was implying that the medical sytem here is perfect. Currently there is a shortage of beds and workers to treat SARS patients. I don't think anybody would be very happy to get SARS in Beijing. He did imply that foregners who got SARS would be treated in foreigners' hospitals, and he stated that he had treated or was aware of 9 patients in his clinic who had had SARS-like symptoms, but all of whom had proved to be negative cases. The overall point he was making is that SARS still cannot be considered high risk. But he added that this does not mean that it won't get worse or that you are guaranteed to not to contract it.

[hubei_canuk]

"Are you being sarcastic by calling what I've posted rumors? They are not rumors. They are opinions coming directly from medical professionals working in the field in Beijing. I have questioned those professionals personally, face to face. That is something entirely different from a rumor. Check the dictionary for a good definition of a rumor.

Disagree with the opinion if you will, but calling them rumors is just dumb."
--------- egas - the rumour mongerer
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This thread is devoted to rumours.
Anything posted in it i regard as a rumour.
You are so uptight and stiff you make me chuckle. don't you know that any FACT, any POV can be proved to be true. Black can be proved white, white can be proved black. Reality has many presentations.
Life as one dimensional is an illusion.
It is not truth versus rumours that has any meaning but iintent and RESULT.
The result here will be who are the last people standing.
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Spouting the government commie prop is just hilarious. I find you humourous and that is not sarcastic.

[Egas]

Something I stated above is incorrect, I just discovered. Patients who have strong SARS symptoms will be transferred to a Chinese hospital, according to a flyer from Beijing United hospital, a foreigners' hosptal here in Beijing.

Hubei-canuk

Since this thread was devoted to rumors it seems to me that commenting upon the nature of rumors, and contrasting then to medical opinions would be a legitimate contribution.

I am glad you find my contributions amusing. Maybe the laughter will strengthen your immune system and boost your immunity to SARS.

[hubei_canuk]

"Dr Spengler's comment about the authorities in Beijing"
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Didn't this Spengler do work with Dr. Menglez in Brazil cloning Hiltler?
There was some movie about that with Gregory Peck.
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It's so reassuring to hear from "the authorities in Beijing". Since you feel so close to them do you think you can get them to send us some pizza and Cheese as a sort of "stay-in-SARS-China-incentive"?
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It would be good promo. I'd be the first to say "No SARS in China" if they send me a pizza.
A good pizza.

[hubei_canuk]

"Since this thread was devoted to rumors it seems to me that commenting upon the nature of rumors, and contrasting then to medical opinions would be a legitimate contribution." egas
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No that would be just engaging in silly argumentation with silly pompous rod-up-their-behinds people who are engaged in persecutory propaganda trying to impose their world view on everyone.
That would be opposed to the spirit of this thread.
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Give it up Egas. Take a rest. Other don't people think the same as you, you can't control everybody.

[hubei_canuk]

"I find the whole phenomenon of rumors very intriguing. What I find even more intriguing is that I never hear any myself. I'm being totally honest here. Maybe people just perceive me as being closed to them or something. I can also honestly say I haven't spent one second thinking about or contemplating any rumors in the last month or so.
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I also think we have a responsibilty to the people around us, and to the communities we live in to remain grounded, and not allow ourselves to be sucked into the fear and paranoia that many people are so easily sucked into. This is especially true for us as teachers, whose job it is to nurture (mostly) young minds. - EGAS
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What you are saying egas is that you have no ability to use your imagination. I wouldn't be so proud of such a deficiency.
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Imagination is required for analytical and projective thinking. It is an essential part of rigorous intellectual thinking, to search for all opssible truth and examine other points of View.
No imaginatin also results in a rather humourless individual.
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I think the responsiblity to the education for young people is to help them learn to think fro themselves and not force upon them our own point of view (in this case: the "don't panic" pov).
To do this we must help people to see and explore endless possible alternate realities and to continually challenge alternate points of view.
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Especially challenge the accepted point of view.
R.D. Laing the psychologist exhorted everyone to challenge everything about the accepted order in their thinking. The word would become a far far better place.
In a way that is what you are doing Egas, so you do provide a good function of some challenge. So you do good service in a way. But somehow because of your broken record nature, i don't think that was your intent. It's more like manipulative intent.
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Your "nuturing" really "controlling". People are not machines. You can't program them. It's an endless task. You can see how much energy you put into it Egas, you will never be finished and never have any rest. Give it up. Let the world be. Let them panic if they want to.

[Egas]

hubei_cunuk,

I fail to see how expressing the opinion of Dr Spengler here on this thread is anything more than sharing information. I fail to see that expressing my opinions is in any way manipulative. What else is this site for? I have not criticised or attempted to denegrate or belittle others in any way. There is only one person here doing that. Yourself. Your unending and frenzied stream of abuse, shame, ridicule and contempt in attempting to bully me from expressing ideas freely, is precisly the mentality that totalitarian states employ to manipulate and control their people. And that is tremendously hypocritical.

Meanwhile I will continue to post things on Dave's, until such time as the managers see that I am not fit to do so. You do not have that power.

[hubei_canuk]

"hubei_cunuk,

I fail to see how expressing the opinion of Dr Spengler here on this thread is anything more than sharing information. I fail to see that expressing my opinions is in any way manipulative. What else is this site for?"
- egas
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What Ideas?
You are a one-trick pony.
Aand a very tiresome and humorless one at that.
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Who's stopping you?
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Go ahead and post post post your manipulative attempts ad nauseum. You can't understand yourself it's not my concern.
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In the same way i have the freedom to continue expressing my opinons which you call "unending and frenzied stream of abuse, shame, ridicule and contempt".
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There's no totalitarian state here at Dave's. Why did you say that? Did someone knock at your door and drag somebody out and shoot them because of expressing an opinion here? I doubt it.
But some other Chinese who posted on a chinese internet.. it is most likely....
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BTW i heard Dr. Spengler was doing genetic experiments to create blue-eyed Chinese clones. Seems they got hold of some genetic material from Chairman Mao and want to replicate an improved Chairman by the thousands.
I got on good authority rumoured by a party member from Beijing.

[Egas]

Hubei Canuk,

Allow me to place a mirror before you. The list below comprises the insults you have directed at me on this thread; typos, grammatical and spelling errors included. As insults they are designed to demean and shame. These are not the tools of the humorous, helpful, intelligent person you claim to be. But others can judge for themselves.

You have written the following:
I suppose you guys saw Elvis yesterday?
I heard he was sightseeing in Tiananmen Square with Saddam.
Jiang Qing was the tour guide.

egas - the rumour mongerer

You are so uptight and stiff you make me chuckle

Spouting the government commie prop is just hilarious. I find you humourous and that is not sarcastic.

I always have laugh about commie prop.

engaging in silly argumentation with silly pompous rod-up-their-behinds people who are engaged in persecutory propaganda trying to impose their world view on everyone.

What you are saying egas is that you have no ability to use your imagination. I wouldn't be so proud of such a deficiency.

Your "nuturing" really "controlling".

Go ahead and post post post your manipulative attempts ad nauseum. You can't understand yourself it's not my concern

You are a one-trick pony.
Aand a very tiresome and humorless one at that.

[hubei_canuk]

[hubei_canuk]

[hubei_canuk]

I wrote this last week. I post it now.
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Egas: Here you are once again, no surprise, in persecution mode trying to beat a dead horse to death.
And you who accuse me of bullying tactics!
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Here you are, following me about in my thread, in the name of freedom of speech trying to beat me to death with your tired and unwanted arguments.
This thread is for rumours and meant to be humorous as opposed to Hamish'es thread about supposed "facts". and as such it is devoted to show that there are NO facts and there are NO rumours.
Because every coin has at least one other side.
Reality is better revealed in Intentions and Effects.
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Instead you post here the shallow government Rumours purporting them to be Facts. Holding on tightly as to what is TRUTH and wanting to define it for the world and feeling frightened and shaken when anything threatens the "Panic Room" that you have built inside your mind to shield you.
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I stand by all that i've said and all my opinions. You insist on your right to express your opinions and i insit on my right to express mine.
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And you are quite right in your perception: I mean to shame your argument.
Is it working yet?

..If you see my opinions as insults, perhaps you shuld get a new self-image, perhaps a stonger more confident one.
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In truth i find your attitute and approach insulting to my commmon sense and to the safety of other teachers in China.
In the public article you wrote for the newspaper you say you lost personal friends because they considered you to be unsafe to be with because of your attitude to SARS.
I am not surprised. I also would distance from you.
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I am also allowed to say this because you made it public. That is the fair way of argumentation. Whatever you put on the public table is allowed to be discussed. Else it is a tyranny.
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Whatever you post here is public and widely open to public response.
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If you don't like public feedback, night i suggest you confine yourself to working for the CCP or CCTV-9 aka "the Jiang Zemin Show".
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Final ps. I see my typos. and grammeratical errots bothered you terribly.
Perhaps the only cure for English teachers to find any peace with words is to get a lobotomy.

[Egas]

Keep posting away HC. There's only one person ranting and raving on this thread, and it's not me.

Let's give it a rest.

However I think you should consider the possibility that you are unconsciously attracted to me. In your frustration and rage at being unable to possess the object of your true desire (that's me of course) you have created a fantasy that I am in fact a communist bully boy. Thus it is that you have a deep desire to be controlled by others, to be nurtured by an authority figure. No doubt your subconscious image of me is of a tall muscular man in uniform. But instead of allowing the contents of your shadow side to be consciouly acknowledged, you lash out to hurt the object of your lust.

Think about it HC. It makes sense. It is a perfect explanation for the irrational aspects of your postings here.

But I am sorry HC. I've got a girlfriend. And just quietly you are not my type. I don't go for the passive-aggressive ones. Nonetheless I am highly flattered. I keenly await the next installment of your thinly disguised but deeply amorous projections.