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Aramas



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, now children. If you don't behave I'm telling mummy Smile
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once again



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So glad I asked this question here. Lots of really useful responses. Thanks All.
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phis--Uh, thanks for the kind words, and for reading my posts--BUT in this case you didn't read them very carefully. The exchange at the beginning of this thread between the mesmer and me was the following:

Moonraven: "The mesmer is correct to write without beginning sentences with capital letters?"

Mesmer: "moonrivet,

beginning sentences without a capital letter is acceptable on internet message boards.

deal with it"

Moonraven: "Not when you are trying to give us the definitive version of something, messmer. Didn't cover your butt with that b.s. I do not have to deal with anything, by the way."

Mesmer: "lol. thank you very much for this lesson in moonraven's grammar rules for posting on internet message boards"

As you can see, I did not defend the mesmer--I am one of the "grammar snobs".
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mesmer,

Your problem is that you do not proceed from a position of strength here, but one of weakness, in that you have no credibility. Some of us--this bird for instance--have a pretty good nose for sniffing out phonies, which is why I said I did not believe you were an ESL teacher. (You also didn't have the vaguest idea of what I was talking about in regard to the "shape of the universe" discussion that we had recently.)

I am going to give you my last bit of advice, since you mentioned possibly taking a CELTA course here in Mexico: those of us who have been working here for a number of years, and are frequently in a position to hire teachers, do not respond positively to folks with your attitude. After taking your course here, perhaps you should look for work in a another country.
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mesmerod



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonraven,
your problem is that you do not proceed from a position of strength here, but one of righteousness, anger, disillusionment and denial.

you assertion that the universe has a parabolic shape (yes, i know what you mean by a 3-d parabola) is rediculous. i ask you how the nearly-constant cosmic background radiation fits into your theory, and your reply is

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Cosmic background radiation is interesting to think about IF you actually bite for the hot big bang theory. Not at all sure that I do.


perhaps you arent aware, but the hubble telescope has proven this phenomenon as REAL....it is not something that exists in certain theories and absent in others. so i ask, in YOUR theory, what accounts for this real and measurable radiation?

you obviously do not have the scientific background to hold your own on such a topic. you still believe that a pushing force is identical to a pulling force! sorry ma'am, but the origin of a force is very important when discussing the mechanics of our universe. please extend this debate and i will surely expose you as the fraud. brush up on the second law of thermodynamics if you would like to contend that there is a force "pulling" the universe outward




i've been successful in every industry i have worked and in every educational endeavor i have attempted. ESL will be no different, i am quite sure. Smile
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Aramas



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gee mez, every heard of the transmissibility of forces? Forces are described as vectors, ie they have magnitude and direction. Pushing and pulling have nothing to do with it. Physics can only be meaningfully discussed using calculus. English is woefully inadequate for the purpose, and if you're as lazy with maths as you are with English then you might be better served if you stick with trainspotting.

You sound like one of those coffee-table physicists that used to make my quantum physics lecturer laugh his a*se off. It's unusual for anyone with a physics background to use the word 'reality' without chuckling. I bet you think superstrings are really 'kewl' Smile

And please learn to spell ridiculous, or you'll never rid youself of the ridicule Cool
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mesmerod,

I have tried to be as compassionate as possible with you, have given you my best advice and you continue to behave like a surly cur.

You bet I am holding some righteous anger. But I am not completely disillusioned about the human species. And denial is the furthest posture from my character. I know bullsh*t when I see it, and I call it what it is. For that reason, I am telling you, compassionately, that you don't know your butt from a twenty-five-cent piece.

Let yourself grow up, quit trying to convince folks that you are a high-roller investor, an astrophysicist, a neo-grammarian--or even an ESL teacher--and listen to your heart. It will tell you what you really should be doing with your life.
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phis



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My apologies Moonraven. I was reading through the posts too quickly and missed the question mark at the end of the sentence that had surprised me so much. A clear indication of how punctuation can change the meaning of a sentence!
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apology accepted. It's one thing to feel compassion for the mesmer, and another entirely to defend him.
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mesmerod



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aramas,
all i have asked is for moonraven to explain what object is causing this pulling force. please tell me what object exists outside the boundaries of our universe and then we can further this discussion. i guess you do not realize the feasibility of this "theory" implies an infinately open system....one in which the second law of thermodynamics becomes useless. this also contradicts moonraven's admittance that she does not believe the universe is expanding.

you (twiddle-dee), and moonraven (twiddle-dumb) will no doubt resort to your usual credential-bashing techniques instead of offering anything of substance.

now twiddle-dee, transmission of forces is applicable to the object upon which the force is acting. if you would open your eyes and learn to read you will see what i said:

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but the origin of a force is very important when discussing the mechanics of our universe


the origin of the force, twiddle-dee....not the direction of the velocity vector you tweed.

you underestimate my education. i dont even need to boast (a-la twiddle-dumb)


i'm not quite sure what you are implying with this statement:
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It's unusual for anyone with a physics background to use the word 'reality' without chuckling


i have not used that word....i guess you are just making things up as usual.



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And please learn to spell ridiculous, or you'll never rid youself of the ridicule

lol dont worry about that. i dont give a sh$t about spelling or grammar on internet message boards....even on one that caters to the ESL profession! (as everyone gasps)



twiddle-dumb,
statements without explaination carry no validity. you tend to point fingers quite often at people. 60 years of pomposity has obviously given you a strange mindset.
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Aramas



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piffle Smile

My guess is that you've done high-school physics at best, and that you're probably a Trekkie Rolling Eyes Your fundamentalist zeal is rather amusing when one considers that, at a quantum level, the violation of causality is commonplace. Who gives a toss about the second law of thermodynamics (which is regularly violated btw) or 'shape of the universe' (lol) when things arrive before they leave and finish before they start?

Why is it always the thickies that think they're clever? Razz
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aramas wrote:
Why is it always the thickies that think they're clever?


One of my observations about people: Those who are truly clever are also usually rather reserved about displaying their knowledge to others. The more knowledge they acquire, the more they realize how little they really know. That realization is quite humbling.
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mesmerod wrote:
you should resolve your personal issues that people without a BA in English can, and often do, succeed in this industry.
mesmerod wrote:
i see no reason why my statement [the above one, sns] does not contain a dependant clause.


While I may occasionally doubt wether you would recognise a dependant clause if it slapped you around the head with a wet haddock the problem with your sentence (leaving aside the capitalisation issue) is that while one can have issues that whatever and while one can resolve issues that (verb), one resolves issues about (noun + verb+ing).

One can resolve issues that rankle but one can only have or resolve issues about (eg) idiots(noun) posting(verb+ing) on boards about subjects about which they apparently have not the most elementary knowledge, especially when they declare their intention to set themselves up as teachers of the subject, for professional teachers of which said website operates as a discussion forum (dependant clause).

Geddit?

ps. What do you think it is about being a failed Mechanical Engineer intending to take a CELTA somwhere 'exotic' maybe in October, maybe next spring (your intention seems to change post by post), that qualifies you to make such a fool of yourself over so many posts on this website?

Learn English or try to get a job as a mechanical engineer for Crissakes.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ou assertion that the universe has a parabolic shape

My Gran always said it was going pear-shaped.
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chi-chi



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

once again wrote:
As I was discussing it with a western woman, and it seems that the only threads that get answered have some such title, it seemed apposite. Thanks for the replies.


I think I figured it out~Asian men have seen too many Playboys and can't stop thinking about them hot Western girls Wink
THAT'S why there are so many anti-Western-chica threads on the forum! Twisted Evil
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