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waxwing
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| what, you think that oil was not produced from organic matter? how else would such complex hydrocarbons arise, pray tell? |
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waxwing
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:11 am Post subject: Re: This has no place in ESL other than as a class discussio |
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| Einstein proved Newton wrong, even though his theory of gravitation works with an acceptable margin of error for short distances. |
LOL! "Acceptable margin of error" indeed. |
Well OK this is about as far off topic as we can get on Dave's  but why do you pick up on the phrase 'acceptable margin of error'? I don't see anything majorly wrong with that. On the other hand, you could argue that it's not so much the shortness of the distance but the weakness of the gravitational field that makes the approximation work. Newtonian physics is useless at microscopic distances within the event horizon of a black hole etc. Whatever, details. |
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Stephen Jones
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| NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE WHERE OIL REALLY COMES FROM! |
And nere's me thinking it came from the ground. Still, my fault for not having been kidnapped by aliens recently.
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| The 'rotting plants' theory has been proven wrong, |
Well, if they find out it comes from rotting ideas on the internet there'll be an endless supply.
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| MY POINT: Running out of oil may be a MYTH to justify rising prices |
You seriously think people pay more for something because the seller spins them a yarn?
Countries do run out of oil. Bahrain used to have the highest per captia income in the worlld, and now the only oil it has is in the field it shares with Saudi, its main industry is tourism, and it is exporting its educated middle class to work in Kuwait and other Gulf coutries that still have oil.
At present consumptiion trends we have under a hundred years of oil left; we probably have three or four hundred years of coal, and nobody has given figures for how much uranium. Renewable energy sources, including hydro-electric and bio-mass can probably provide about 30-35% of current needs, so sooner or later things are going to have to change. |
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moonraven
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| There is not even close to 100 years of oil left. While some countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Venezuela have extensive reserves, other oil-producers such as Mexico and the US have about 11 years. All of that is figured at, yes, present consumption rates--but that is a crock because China as well as India are increasing their need for oil in double digit percentages each year. Projected realistic usage figures put total oil reserves at a little less than 50 years. |
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stillnosheep
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Stephen Jones you've been gone too long,
Steephen Jones... |
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misteradventure
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:34 pm Post subject: Jabbering |
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For a group of supposed 'professionals' in their field, I find it fascinating that they cite 'what somebody told them in school' as their authority to the exclusion of any other source, except sources which they deny their readership the ability to read for themselves.
Whose estimates? Why are companies shutting down perfectly profitable operations, unless to create an artificial shortage of facilities?
Science is based on seeking answers to the questions like, "Where else would those complex hydrocarbons come from?"
Either the world is inherently irrational, or the motives (i.e. profit, control) are too unpleasant for readers to consider. It is far easier to get excited and run around screaming like Chicken Little.
I've already cited some of my sources. Is the concept of finding evidence (to support one's claims) in refereed professional journals and responsible reporting foreign to this group of professional educators?
Maybe I'm responding to one of those 'Backpackers who teach English to Get-By while travelling' that we see in our training films demonstrating exactly how NOT to present material efficiently. This is the internet... I may never know. I won't be responding anyway. I have a bike to work on. |
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waxwing
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Jabbering |
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| misteradventure wrote: |
I've already cited some of my sources. |
Your sources are nonsense. I have a masters degree in nuclear physics with distinction. What's your qualification? Let's just pretend, for a second, that it makes any difference. |
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double agent
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:29 am Post subject: in our life time...lets hope not |
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well, I am not a scientist, I realize that many of you will be surprised by this fact.
I am disgusted at my friends who buy oversized SUVs instead of petrol conserving vehicles. I say to them, remeber...Iraq..the killing fields,...
Canada..oh Canada...build a wall to keep out those Yanks.
Canada has the largest untapped oil reserves in the WORLD !
The reason, the oil is locked in tarsands ( and I think, but not sure, glacier fields)...
There is talk in Canada to rebuild their army. ...wonder why.
Again, my facts are not facts, but it is what I recall from studying A LONG TIME AGO....
Some of my friends have already had energy efficient cars for more than 3 years now. Not good on resale value at this time though.
Me, I take the public transportation, more due to poverty being a TEFL teacher. |
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