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Is mendacity a virtue?

 
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Minhang Oz



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: Shanghai,ex Guilin

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2003 9:30 pm    Post subject: Is mendacity a virtue? Reply with quote

OK, here's the story.
While engaged in yet another pointless debate with Hubei Canuk he set a new low, both personally and in whole of forum terms. Now, of course, this is only my record of events, and he'll contradict it. This site has an edit facility for all of the posts you've published: anyone can go back and change anything they've written. Useful to correct embarrasing errors, or even monumental blunders, but not to revise in order to support your current argument. Particularly when its a bit shakey.

This is all on the "how far will your yuan stretch" thread, but its probably not worth reading unless you're a true Canuk devotee-and they both left last week. There are some interesting and original insights regarding English language teaching and learning though, which have convinced me that I've wasted most of my working life.

So, I'm charging duplicity, mendacity, and if he's posted on the "do Chinese students cheat" thread, am willing to add hypocrisy. Revising a post in order to cover your tracks is not on. Unfortunately, the faceless internet gives people false courage. He wouldn't get away with it in a school in his home country, though I doubt if he could get a job in one there. But Hubei Canuk doesn't let ethical issues get in his way in China.
As a result, with this new ground rule, I won't continue to contribute. I hope to keep in touch with my virtual colleagues whose integrity and professionalism I've come to trust - chinasyndrome, Bill Shagley, Chastenoferatu and others.

If you reply HC, bear in mind it won't be me reading it. Keep up the eight post a day average, and remember, never let fact, logic or the weight of other people's experience get in the way of your opinion. You know the above is true, and that's all that matters.
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hubei_canuk



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Posts: 240
Location: hubei china

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2003 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minhang, I must reprint my original answer.

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"Edit" postings? Why Minhang, are you suggesting that i would cheat?
That I would be dishonest over a trival oversight of word counting?
No. not so! I have a lot of moral integrity. After all i was raised in a Judeo-Christian Culuture, even if i later adopted Taoism.
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Do the Commies actually rewrite history? Wow! What a concept!
Gee if they can do that then they can go back and say Mao was a Saviour of the Chinese People instead of a ruthless mass murderer who held up the country's progress for 30 years so that he could stay in power. Or did they do that already? I'm out of touch.
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I never say "enjoy your beer".
What i usually say is "i probably spoiled your beer", but it isn't my intention . You can know the truth and still enjoy your beer.
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I'm glad you're studying my philosophy but i can't give you an A grade yet.
Let us try to understand the nature of reality as well as the nature of illusion.
The truth is that neither is what it seems.
The first time i bought some candy in China what was inside the wrapper did not resemble the picture on the wrapper. The picture was one of soft dark chocolate. Inside was a bag of hard red candies. So which was the lie? The wrapper or the contents inside?
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Nobody cheats in China. It's all a matter of cultural perspective. You really should spend more time with your China Daily.
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Since you've resigned your commission then i guess my seniority is advanced.
One man's sore losing is another man's gain.
The chinese students have a saying:
"You die, I live".
This saying derives from the competitive nature of the Unviersity Entrance Exams. There isn't enough room for all!!..
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..It's a changing of the guard.
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The king is dead. Long live the king!!!
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chinasyndrome



Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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Location: In the clutches of the Red Dragon. Erm...China

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2003 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="hubei_canuk"]


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Since you've resigned your commission then i guess my seniority is advanced.
One man's sore losing is another man's gain.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it you who spat the dummy and resigned recently? Your 'seniority' has just advanced to an audience of none. Idea Click!
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hubei_canuk



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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Location: hubei china

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2003 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chinasyndrome wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it you who spat the dummy and resigned recently? Your 'seniority' has just advanced to an audience of none. Idea Click!

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My resignation was not accepted by the executive class. Therfore i must continue my duty to China humankind and inhuman kind; as well as kind and unkind humankind.
Therefore i correct you for being wrong. I'm glad to see you are still studying my pholosohy and educational method. But you are a long way from a "C" average.
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I have never seen "spit the dummy" and no idea what it means? But i suppose "spitting" and "dummy" are words worth living for.
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Chairman Roberto



Joined: 04 Mar 2003
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Location: Taibei, Taiwan

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2003 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Mendacity!!"

The only time I've ever heard that word was from Burl Ives's brilliant performance of Big Daddy in "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof." So, I'm a little disappointed this thread isn't about Burl Ives.

Have a holly jolly Christmas,

Chairman Roberto

And in case you didn't hear...oh by golly have a holly jolly Christmas..this year!!
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chinasyndrome



Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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Location: In the clutches of the Red Dragon. Erm...China

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Burl Ives disturbs me too. Just when I thought I'd finally put him out of my mind forever, back he comes! Minhang isn't going to answer, unfortunately. Another fun, interesting and all round good bloke bites the cyberdust. However, to answer your first question, my Atlantean friend, mendacity and mendaciousness are probably lingual misadventures in this context. See 'spitefulness, irrationality, and nonsense' for a fuller description of what MO was getting at. Only when the last poster has gone will Gordon Canuklehead have achieved his objective. A forum of his own. Then the Taoist Master, Martial Artist, Philosopher, and Knower of All Things will have time to contemplate the sound of a lone cricket chirping.
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hubei_canuk



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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Location: hubei china

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Minhang just wanted to take a break. If i took him seriously, i'm sure he might pop back sometime and say "Got you"!!
I couldn't seriously believe anybody here could be that narrow-minded and humourless.
But i could be wrong.
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In the case of missing persons we just never know.
Something like China Sars Statistics.!!!!
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hubei_canuk



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Location: hubei china

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sunaru wrote:
FOUL!!!

HC ten minutes in the penalty box, you have achieved an all-time low- lashing out and insulting a poster no longer with us is tantamount to a sucker punch to the groin on a blind and deaf man.
With all you have said and done this is a new low, I didn't think even you capable of such a despicable act. Then again people will surprise even the best of us I suppose. If there were a way to mute you like in a chat room you would be punished thusly by at least yours truly. Even I have limits.

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You must be joking!
Ok i'll laugh with you Smile
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According to my dictionary, narrow-minded and humourless are words that exist in reality. If i apply them to understanding the public behaviour of a person they can be either true or untrue opinions.
Truth hurts, i know.
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However i still belicve the Minhang left only because he had something else to do and he is just pulling my leg. I couldn't want to believe thie alternative.
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I'm sure you want to punish me. You've never said why??
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hubei_canuk



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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Location: hubei china

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MENDACITY!!! (To alleviate Robert's disappointment)
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"But how in hell on earth do you imagine you're going to have a child by a man who cannot stand you?"--Brick (Paul Newman) to Maggie (Elizabeth Taylor)

"Now, you keep forgetting the conditions under which I agreed to stay on living with you!"--Brick to Maggie
"I'm not living with you! We occupy the same cage, that's all."--Maggie to Brick

"One of those no-neck monsters hit me with some ice cream. Their fat little heads sit on their fat little bodies without a bit of connection...you can't wring their necks if they got no necks to wring. Isn't that right, Honey?"--Maggie to Brick

"You know what I feel like? I feel all the time like a cat on a hot tin roof."--Maggie to Brick

"You said it yourself, Big Daddy, mendacity is the system we live in."--Brick to Big Daddy (Burl Ives)
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