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taikibansei



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Posts: 811
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madeira wrote:
Some of my students are underage prostitutes.. er.. `enjo kosai` participants. Not many, but some.


And you know this because? A survey? Spontaneous confessions? A class assignment? (e.g., "In English conversation class today, I want you all to talk about the sexual experiences--professional or otherwise--you've had up to now....")

These are actually serious questions. I.e., I've never discussed sexual relations--'professional' or otherwise--with underage students, nor can I imagine many scenarios where this would be appropriate. ...

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Teacher: `Keiko, where did you get that LV bag?`

Keiko: `........`

Teacher: `Oh, that`s not relevant to English study. I`m not going to talk to you about it nor am I going to refer you to counselling or contact your parents. Please post your experience on gaijinpot... and please translate `the government has reduced the importance of oyster catches to local economies while emphasizing the possible tourism value of increasing road-work."


Oh, so every underage girl with an LV bag is a prostitute? And you call parents with these accusations? What do you do say when you're wrong? "Oops, my bad--I guess you're daughter's not a *beep*"--somehow, that wouldn't cut it with me.

Does enjo kosai exist in Japan? Does prostitution--including child prostitution--exist in the States? The answer to both questions is, sadly, yes. In both countries also, girls (and boys) first engage in sex at a very young age. Americans are actually the youngest in the world, having their first sexual experience at an average age of 16.2 years-- http://www.bettersex.com/compinfo/research2.asp

Whatever you may think about the morality of this, though, I just don't get how it's an appropriate topic of discussion--either with underage students in your classes, or here on this board. At the very least, teacher intervention--except in instances when a student self-discloses about actual rape/physical abuse--is in most cases inappropriate. Outside of these latter circumstances, I could care less whether my students have had sex, when, and with whom. Frankly, it's just not my business.

You're hired to teach English conversation, for heck's sake, not your views on sexual morality.
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Dominique



Joined: 26 Aug 2004
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Location: Juso, Osaka

PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are doing some research on this topic. I just recently watched an episode of SexTV. It's a show aired in Canada on CityTV, if you want to look that up.
The whole episode discussed this topic as well as the obsession with the sailor outfits! It was interesting.
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Joined: 16 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what's your access to the minors involved in enjo kosai? Other than that of the courageous noble intervening, all knowing native speaking english teacher?

Are you a friend? A relative? A professional counsellor? How did you meet the student/enjo-kosai participant? etc?

Part of this is to do with boundaries. All too often when discussing, well anything to do with Japan, we rely too much on our very limited experience as foreigners encased in very specific, exclusive bubbles of isolation. Our outside view is always outside and severely limited etc.

I'm not saying don't discuss it. I'm saying, discuss with intelligence, rigour, robustness and sensitivity.

What is old, FYI are arguments in which some-one comes out and says "It's wrong, all those men should be castrated, why don't the parents teach morals to children, oh my god, look at the state of society, oh no, see this is the price Japan pays for being such a consumer society, oh, actually it's all the erotic (pedophilic, fetish etc) manga..."

That's tired. What's also tired is that the voices of the enjo-kosai girls (and boys for that matter) and the people that employ/have relationaships with/molest etc are absent from these English discussions by virtue of the fact that they are Japanese. That they are not english teachers looking at english teaching boards and probably never will be. They are spoken about but never get to do the speaking.
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Rice Paddy Daddy



Joined: 11 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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