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bluecrush



Joined: 28 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:04 pm    Post subject: Help with Landing a Job! Reply with quote

hey everyone, this is my very first post! I've been thinking of teaching english overseas for a while now and the time has come to finally start applying.
A little background, I have just recently graduated from university in canada with a major in Information Technology. The only teaching experience I possess is a 2-3 years of tutoring younger students (if ya call that teaching experience!) and through personal training clients. I am an asian male, 24 yrs old, bron and raised in canada which includes comppleting all my schooling in canada as well.

I was highly thinking of going to Japan but I have already been to 2 interviews with the bigger schools (Aeon and Geos) and in both interviews, I did not qualify to move on. I came out of the interviews thinking I was sure to get in and felt highly confident after the sessions but still did not receive the "passing letter". I have the "ECC" interview coming up so hopefully i get something different this time. I'm beginning to think my ethnicity or my "young" looks are beginning to be a disadvantage toward the job???

So now, i'm trying to consider other places that are reasonably safe and at the same time pay pretty well in order for me to pay off my student loans at the same time. I'm looking into China, Hong Kong etc.

So what I'm asking... What places offer me the best chances of getting a job based on my ethnicity and qualifications that will pay reasonably well. I'm just asking for a couple of options that I can think about.
Thanks a bunch....

ps. Also considering getting a TESOL certificate very soon.
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lagerlout2006



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You say Asian. Are you Chinese-Canadian? If so mainland China or Taiwan are maybe your best options. Or maybe Singapore or Indonesia but I don;t know much about those places. Hong Kong you can forget without more degrees or exp. But it's a free world so I guess you could show up and look for work. Where is the ECC job?
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voodikon



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

japan seems a little tough. i tried to go there first and interviewed with one company but got turned down. i too felt confident and had some teaching experience, with kids and all, but after the rejection was discouraged.

then my boyfriend, who is vietnamese american, decided he wanted to come along, and we began looking at our options. without tefl certification it's difficult to get into taiwan, hong kong, singapore, etc. korea, for the most part, apparently refuses to hire asian americans. so china ended up being where we ended up going, somewhat by default. one note to save yourself a lot of time: since employers don't seem to care if they betray their entirely racially discriminatory hiring practices, you might want to mention upfront that you're asian american. countless times we would be corresponding with potential employers and when it came time to send a picture, they would suddenly stop replying.

but china so far has treated us well, and i think we ended up making a good decision. sure, the pay isn't as high as, say, korea or japan, but the costs of living are ridiculously low. i'm projecting that i'll be able to actually save much more than i would working and living in the u.s.
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bluecrush



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the replies... very helpful.
lagerlout2006: I'm a filipino canadian, so i don't know if that will affect me at all. In terms of ECC, it's for Japan. I really want to go to Japan, but like i said earlier, i' may have to seriously start to consider other options now. I'll look at the options both of you gave me... thanks.

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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluecrush wrote:
thanks for the replies... very helpful.
lagerlout2006: I'm a filipino canadian, so i don't know if that will affect me at all. In terms of ECC, it's for Japan. I really want to go to Japan, but like i said earlier, i' may have to seriously start to consider other options now. I'll look at the options both of you gave me... thanks.

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Blue

I just came across your post- i am teaching in Japan and though I am not Asian there are a lot of 'non-white' native speakers here including Korean Americans and blacks. People who are Asian do get jobs here and i know one school that hires non-whites.

rather than put it down to race (which may or may not be a factor) you have to look at other possibilities as to why NOVA etc turned you down)
Was it how you laid out your resume, your attitude during the interview?
What are your reasons for wanting to teach in Japan?

I would emphasis your Canadian nationality rather than being a Filipino here, as most of the Filipinos here work as bar girls and many work in the skin trade rather than teaching English. They dont have that great a reputation in Japan, because Japanese look down on other South-east Asians. emphasise your Canadian degree, the fact you were born in Canada. You just happen to have asian looks. to my knowledge many Japanese companies are less concerned with looks than they are in Korea and Taiwan.
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bluecrush



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:


Blue

I just came across your post- i am teaching in Japan and though I am not Asian there are a lot of 'non-white' native speakers here including Korean Americans and blacks. People who are Asian do get jobs here and i know one school that hires non-whites.

rather than put it down to race (which may or may not be a factor) you have to look at other possibilities as to why NOVA etc turned you down)
Was it how you laid out your resume, your attitude during the interview?
What are your reasons for wanting to teach in Japan?

I would emphasis your Canadian nationality rather than being a Filipino here, as most of the Filipinos here work as bar girls and many work in the skin trade rather than teaching English. They dont have that great a reputation in Japan, because Japanese look down on other South-east Asians. emphasise your Canadian degree, the fact you were born in Canada. You just happen to have asian looks. to my knowledge many Japanese companies are less concerned with looks than they are in Korea and Taiwan.


thanks PaulH for the input.

Yeah I too know a couple of people (non-whites) who work in Japan as ESL teachers so I know there is somewhat of a possibilty of getting a job there. I also understand from reading internet forums, talking to teachers, talking to students as well etc. that the stereotype does exist, but hopefully it doesn't exist as much as i think it does. Maybe i'm just being alittle too paranoid Smile

my reasons of wanting to come to japan are many, but the major ones are: I want to get teaching experience with both kids and adults and everything in between, and also to learn about the culture and maybe pick up the language along with getting the international experience. I really want to go to Japan and it has been my first choice since I started to think about going overseas to teach. Hopefully I can still get there, but if anything, i'll start to look elsewhere as well.

Also, i am definitely taking your advice in stressing the Canadian degree, citizen, etc. I just hope that overpowers everything else Smile. thanks for the input again.

another question though for PaulH or ANYONE. I have another obstacle that i think may be detrimental. I look fairly young and i've casually asked some recruiters out of curiosity how old do they think i am. The answers i got were like 18, 19 etc. really young. I'm 27 though. You think that would impact the process if anything???? Given Japan's Hierarchical structure, would it be correct to say that for example, a 45 yr. old Business man would be somewhat hesistant to learn from a young 25yr old?

anyways,
graius again, and let's hear some more replies!
blue
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry if you look younger than your age. The first thing people will ask you is your age. I don't think looking young is a detriment. If you're teaching a 45 yr.old, if you are 24 or 28, it really is the same to them.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluecrush wrote:
another question though for PaulH or ANYONE. I have another obstacle that i think may be detrimental. I look fairly young and i've casually asked some recruiters out of curiosity how old do they think i am. The answers i got were like 18, 19 etc. really young. I'm 27 though. You think that would impact the process if anything???? Given Japan's Hierarchical structure, would it be correct to say that for example, a 45 yr. old Business man would be somewhat hesistant to learn from a young 25yr old?



There is probably little you can do about your looks or 'youth'. When I came here I was 23 and teaching business men twice my age. Chances are you will not be teaching company or corporate classes anyway. If you work for AEON or ECC you will teach anything from 6 year olds to elderly people. You cant do anything about your age etc but what they are paying for is a native speaker a westerner to speak English with. Yo need a degree to get a work visa but they are paying for your foreignness, even if you look young. You can tell people you are older than you look. I dont think it really matters in the big picture.

Something you mentioned in your other post also struck me.

You said you wanted to show them what a good teacher and how experienced you are. this can actually work against you as they are not loooking for qualified professional teachers. they are looking for young, energetic sociable people who can get with the system they use, learn how to use their textbooks and syllabus. IF you come with a CELTA and a bag full of tricks they may thing you want to change things, teach students in a different way, and even consider you to be overqualified. I have a Masters degree in TESOL and I would probably be more qualified than many of the trainers there.

Be interested in Japan, be interesting and cheerful without giving the impression that you know too much about TESOL and you will re-write the teachers manual. Play a bit dumb and once you have got the job then work your magic on the students. they will appreciate you for it.

They are not hiring qualified teachers but glossy window dressing to put in front of paying students and this is where some people make mistakes by touting their extensive experience where its neither asked for or expected
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bluecrush



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool, thanks for the advice, very useful.
regards,
blue
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