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AsiaTraveller



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Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Penang, Denpasar, Berkeley

PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ludwig wrote:
Also, I write quickly and effortlessly (I am, after all, a writer).

And in many of Luddy's efforts as a 'writer' he tries so hard to be pedantic and erudite that the writing becomes dense, terribly overwritten, sloppy, redundant and generally incorrect by any standards of English that we teach in the classroom.

Let's note that 'effortlessly' in Luddy's case means expending so much effort to appear knowledgeable that it results in a struggle--for the reader as well as the 'writer'. Good writing should not be a struggle to read. It should indeed be �effortless�, but Luddy�s writing is clearly not a representative example.

I guess that as a 'writer' Luddy feels he needs to make his own rules of syntax and style. Then again, it might simply be that he doesn't know any of the common standards but nevertheless purports to teach them to unsuspecting Hong Kongers and Mainlanders.

I'll cheerfully offer examples of some of the more humourous gaffes that he (regularly) makes here on the forum -- if he requests them.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, when you write a doctorate thesis you are, by definition given the 100,000-word nature of the document, a writer.

The editors of at least one TEFL journal and one local newspaper obviously disagree with your 'analaysis', 'AT'.
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AsiaTraveller



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too have written a Ph.D. thesis. I have also advised Ph.D. candidates as a thesis advisor. And I know something about scholarly style that you evidently have forgotten from your thesis-writing days:

How do you format a book title citation? It is most certainly not with both italic and inverted commas, as you habitually do on this site. That's as redundant as your infamous "too overly" constructions.

Is this what you teach in your so-called English for Academic Purposes class? Is it yet another Luddite style standard that you have invented?

Smile

This is but one example. You want more???
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Juan Alias



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

Gwidenrol (apologies - I don't get the name),
that was the finest piece of character assassination I've read in a long time. Well done.
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Juan Alias



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh! I get it now.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I never said I have a doctorate, merely that I am completing one. Also, there are no 'set in stone' conventions, most certainly not on this informal site. I will use italics and/or quote marks - or neither - if I so wish (however much it happens to rattle your cage). Go ahead, please do give as many examples as you so wish; at least it will keep you off the streets for a few hours.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ladies, please. You are both learned men - do you have to act like children, constantly baiting each other? Is that how professional lecturers/teachers/whatever are supposed to behave?

I wonder if there is a site where architects slag each other off? That would make for some funny reading too. Actually I think something like that did happen in Renaissance Rome near La Trevi fountains...

But really - I'm sure you're both very well-educated people in highly paid jobs so is there any need for this?

Now come one, who would you rather shag - Kelly Chen or Coco Lee?


Laughing Laughing Laughing
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AsiaTraveller



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

subwoofer,

The Luddite is the one who continually baits and challenges and ridicules other posters for their shortcomings as writers on this forum. But he has just told us that nobody should judge writing on �this informal site� because there are no �set in stone� conventions.

The irony will probably escape him.

When he does finally get around to finishing that �doctorate� [sic] thesis, his committee will likely slap his wrist for not following the established standards. And for writing such 'effortless' prose as the following turgid and constipated mess:

Ludwig wrote:
... though, as I said, this will ultimately depend on the actual institution, many of which know fully well that a nascent child, in a native speaker environment, itself will, in a matter of only perhaps two years, achieve native speaker status ...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't "a nascent child" be an embryo or foetus?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, 'AT', despite the fact that it may well be beyond your comprehension, there are very strict referencing guidelines in my particular field and I, of course, as everyone else, follow them. I simply do not follow them here on this (informal) forum. As I say, I understand that may be too challenging a concept for you to accept but the facts leave the rest of us little choice.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't "a nascent child" be an embryo or foetus?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Now come one, who would you rather shag - Kelly Chen or Coco Lee?


I would guess most people would go for Coco Lee, I think perhaps she�s A little on the short side and the hair�s a bit funky, but Kelly looks like any girl wandering the street in dire need of a hamburger.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

once again wrote:
Wouldn't "a nascent child" be an embryo or foetus?

Or the sparkle in the milkman's eye, perhaps.
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AsiaTraveller



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ludwig wrote:
I, of course, as everyone else, follows them.

We trust that your doctorate [sic] topic is not subject-verb agreement.

Does anyone doubt that the Luddite will continue criticising others' writing here on the forums, despite his own demonstrated lack of common skills? He must keep his sub-editors very busy on the one journal and one newspaper that he claims to 'write' for.

And now I have yet another good example of bad writing to use in my presentations and classes, courtesy of Ludwig! Thanks, mate...

As the Yanks say: "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen!"
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I never claimed to write for them, merely that, for obvious reasons, they expressed an interest in some of my writings. You, I am afraid to say, have obviously got your knickers in a twist, and, to be quite honest, it is laughable (if not somewhat pathetic). What is it they say about empty vessels?
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