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Being Egocentric in Asia

 
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A.K.A.T.D.N.



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:01 am    Post subject: Being Egocentric in Asia Reply with quote

It's pretty easy to get egocentric over here in Asia, and I wonder what some of you have had to face. In Korea I found it easy to get a big head and develop a crass personality towards things, act as if you know it all since you have to be in the forefront all the time, try to explain to the Asians what this and that means. It made me feel like a demi-god in Korea, but here in China, I feel as if they really cut you down to size and make you feel like nothing.

Not that I care. It makes me feel good to see people aren't such Anglo-philes, always wanting to suck up. But the fact that the Chinese are apt to see things in their perspective without deferring to us as guests and hosts to their country in a hospitable way, rather disturbs me. It makes me wonder if something went on here before I came to teach to make me the brunt of their anger. Did we, as Westerners, bring this upon ourselves? Or is this just the Chinese way?

I respect their way, I really do. I think that in some respects it's good. But getting back to what I said about becoming egocentric, I often find it hard to walk down the streets, to state my opinions, to assert my feelings, a little too much here without feeling I'm an egomaniac just here to feed my ego, to be seen as different. I met many in Korea who thought they could do this without any offense to the Koreans or sensitivity to their culture. This "King Mentality" is what the Japanese say gives their students "An English complex." I don't want to feel like I'm intimidating, or dominating these people. But my actions and beliefs are quite often different than theirs, so I don't want to be too servile.

The fact that these people cheat you always keeps you on guard. Their god is money. I think that in a way to be egocentric makes them feel intimidated, as if we're too arrogant. But not wanting to get into negativities, I can't stand the egocentrics I meet who think it's their right to be here and think the natives, and other foreigners who defer to the natives, are of lesser beings.

It's just too easy to become egocentric over here, but than again, it's sometimes needed.
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skunk_booty



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off he goes again......
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A.K.A.T.D.N.



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skunk_booty wrote:
Off he goes again......


With a name like "skunk-booty" and only 10 posts since July 28th I'd go off to.

But where?
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skunk_booty



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

now now... No handbags please!

All I can say is.. if its not the ex-pat community you have a problem with.. its the local Chinese. If its not either of them its your own drinking problem that you have seen fit to tell us all about. Your head is in a mess son.. stop embarassing yourself.

Yes, 10 posts since July. I have been reading a lot longer than that... I use this forum for information, not inane rambling.

And just because I am a newbie (which I'm not afraid to admit) doesn't make my opinion any less valid.

Anyway... I've got more useful things to be doing...
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wombat



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skunk_booty has shown more decorum and maturity in his/her 10 posts on this forum than AKATDN has been able to acheive with his 90 odd posts.

AKATDN, you should learn from skunk_booty.
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skunk_booty



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your kind words Wombat!

I know I'm probably adding fuel to what seems like an endless fire, but is the irony lost on you AKATDN that you write a post about how its easy to be egocentric in Asia, then later that day write a post called "Mumbles" and earlier this week "THE RING" which were both very egocentric?

Just a thought..........
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A.K.A.T.D.N.



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skunk_booty wrote:
Thank you for your kind words Wombat!

I know I'm probably adding fuel to what seems like an endless fire, but is the irony lost on you AKATDN that you write a post about how its easy to be egocentric in Asia, then later that day write a post called "Mumbles" and earlier this week "THE RING" which were both very egocentric?

Just a thought..........


All art forms stemn from egocentricity. What I'm talking about here, is just being plain old egotistical. That's why I said that sometimes you have to be egocentric, that it might be good to protect yourself, but not to become egomaniacs, or egotistical.

My experiences have taught me not to put other countries down by making negative comments in front of their faces, or demanding you are the one they should bow down to for being a guest in their country just because you can speak English. Most Westerners know that the Asians are always apt to save face by not getting angry in retaliation, lest they prove this person's blunt comments to be a matter of embarrassment.

But what I'm really trying to say in this post is that I don't like people who think they've got the right to push and shove other foreigners around by acting like the boss and making racist comments such as one Canadian did by saying "America is a bad country. . .I can dis America if I want." And then he blatanly blurts out in front of the manager's face that "This guy's crazy. . . been working here for two weeks and the kids haven't learned anything yet!"

I guess some NewYorker working there before me gave him his piece of mind.

The Korean co-worker told me that all the Koreans there hated him.
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wombat



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote:
But what I'm really trying to say in this post is that I don't like people who think they've got the right to push and shove other foreigners around by acting like the boss and making racist comments such as one Canadian did by saying "America is a bad country. . .I can dis America if I want."


What!? Racism! Sounds like a typical AKATDN post.

A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote:
...Asians are always apt to save face by not getting angry in retaliation....
...some NewYorker working there before me gave him his piece of mind...
...The Korean co-worker told me that all the Koreans there hated him.


See what I mean. AKATDN for someone who complains about blatant racism, you certainly concentrate on the races of other people a hell of a lot. Don't you realize that in most circumstances the race or ethnicity of an individual has very little to do with your observations of them. Why not just refer to these people without mentioning their race, such as '...the guy that I work with...' etc.
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logician



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Being Egocentric in Asia Reply with quote

A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote:
It's pretty easy to get egocentric over here in Asia, and I wonder what some of you have had to face. In Korea I found it easy to get a big head and develop a crass personality towards things, act as if you know it all ... but than again, it's sometimes needed.


I find it remarkably easy to be egocentric *anywhere*. I have a natural talent for egocentricity.

One nice thing about Taiwan that I didn't experience in many places is that the visual beauty of buildings makes me forget about my ego sometimes and just soak up the look of the place.

I love the jam-packed buildings. I love the way they use lights at night. I love the look of traditional characters on neon signs. Today I drove past a ricefield (I think it was rice) that looked like something out of Miyazaki, then past a food stand with a Totoro logo. The street after sunset was full of colored electric lights -- to my mind, prettier than all the glitz of the Las Vegas strip.

And they let you ride motorscooters here. That's so much more fun than most modes of transportation.

I find I'm less miserable and egocentric when I savor the beauty around me. Maybe I'm still egocentric, I'm just less miserable about it.
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