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[hubei_canuk]

Football Games and Nasty Stuff
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[chinasyndrome]

[Roger]

Honestly, hubei_canuk, I too wish to learn from you what you think of Owen "Buckland". Not that I want to put you on the spot, but it seems to me you have made an about-face.

To one of my posts - now deleted - you responded by implying you may have met me in Yangshuo. You wrote you had just heard the tail end of "my story", whereupon Owen threatened me with calling the police.
As a matter of fact, he and I have met, but we have never had a quarrel. So that story whose tailend you heard was not my story.

But now, you appear to be Owen's buddy and soulmate. Not that this poses nany problem for me, - I see no need to be an enemy of Owen's!
Just come clean of it, can you?

[hubei_canuk]

[quote="chinasyndrome]
For someone who doesn't attack, make an argument to authority, doesn't believe in winning and losing (unless you 'win'), uses nastiness regularly and then hides behind long-winded ramblings (hoping to bore your 'readers' out of a thread or off the forum?), who doesn't involve ego and doesn't talk about himself, you certainly do a lot of it.

You accuse others of manipulation. Find a mirror that works! All your high and mighty 'philosophical' rambling is simply rubbish, and you hide behind any straw you can clutch at (Taoism, intellectualism, et al).
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Chinasyndrome: All that blah blah blah that bores you so much is called thinking, analysis and critical thought.
By all means if it bothers you so much why pay any attention to it?
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Now i always win in argumentation because i am never in competition with anyone else. I don't think any person with their pride in their ego would understand my pov and certainly would call it rubbish. So i understand you well.
I talk about myself but i don't attach myself to it. I am always right because i am willing to be wrong to discover the truth. The more a person accepts the more they are on the road of discovery.
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In my view i am not nasty to anyone nor certainly i do not engage in any personal attacks although it seems i am reponding to a personal attack now, aren't I?
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I never discount the content of what anyone says to try to make myself look good do i draw conclusions (ramblings, rubbish) without any supporting statements (i.e. tryin to "get" someone).
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However, i can see how someone with pride and stiffness and a need to be right and not criticised or challenged will certainly think i am nasty.
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But if that is how a person wants to be i recommend not throwing their thoughts out on a public forum for all to see. For certain, I, or someone else will subject them, their thoughts, their presentation of self, their manner, etc. to critical analysis. and in that critical analysis all manner of wit, sarcasm colorful idiom, humor etc as is natural will be applied.
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In this process it is easy to identify the "losers" for those are the people who repond with personal attack, swearing, generally losing it etc.
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For those who don't believe in this process the result is conversation becomes nothing more than a shared series of polite menaingless platitutes. Not debate and not sharing and not the development of thought and ideas for which the spark of argument is needed.
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I have rules and ideas about my own conduct and i follow them. I'm going to about that later but i'm afraid it might bore you.
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I'd like to add something about the development of the internet.
Now people are more exposed to real "free speech". In general society there is not much free speech. All opinion is regulated by power. The power of bosses, of wanting to advance or fear of punishment in real life all inhibit the free speech and sharing of others.
True both in the work world and the academic world. Now for the first time many academics are exposed to really free speech.
People dare to say to them what no one ever dared before. and there is no one to flunk them or fire them or punish them socially in any way! The pride and definition of self of many is shaken to the core!
They react by trying to get the person's address, their name, thier social, their educational qualifications. Intimidate, threaten, bully whatever.
But it fails in a virtual environment.
How to apply pressure to them?
What to do?
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Maybe call the moderators. Maybe they can replace the functions of social punishment and reward and stop all that nasty truth and stuff people don't want to hear. Those ridiculous ideas that are untrue and mentally ill and need pummeling to death!
And if the moderators share the same cultural values, it is indeed a good solution, it will work and delicate egos can be safe and secure and the wolrd protected from the eye of analysis and all and sundry can live happily ever after.
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There are no facts, yes that is my view only intentions and effects.
My good facts are your bad facts are they not?
So now you can copy and paste my facts and make them your facts in order to persue your intentions against me.
yes no yes?
But do you know what you want from me?

[hubei_canuk]

[wOZfromOZ]

"Mr HC" for Kofi's job..........

...................You've gottabe on Dave Sperling's payroll

keep up the hard work mate
BTW

You should get out and make sure your getting enough exercise.
Are you getting enough sleep?
Have you been to have a checkup lately?

Happy days!

[chinasyndrome]

[quote="hubei_canuk"]

[Roger]

[Roger]

[Roger]

[Roger]

Hello hubei_canuk,

this is the first time I have attemkpted using the QUOTE button on this forum. I agree I still have a long way to go before I can safely say I can answer you in detail.

So much for my clumsiness. I accept blame where blame is deserved. But I ask you most solemnly to cut out unwarranted verbiage and personal attacks. You know what I mean, and I will supply some proof of what I mean further down.
Now, don't you agree that in that first post - "Hello Roger..." you actually ANSWERED me? That post of mine, it was deleted, at least temporarily, but today I found it again.
Would you agree with me that in your reply you come across as someone not utterly on friendly terms with Owen Buckland?

OF course, I WON'T HOLD THAT AGAINST YOU. But it seems to me to be contrasting starkly with the post in which you show your gratitude to Owen for having found a job for you in JINGMEN.

That's what I would call an about-face.

"ET TU BRUTE?" Hubei_Canuk, cut such remarks out of your posts, ou bien fiche-le camps, ou fiche-moi la paix! That's what I call boorish, churlish, uncouth!

I have no beef with you, yet I wish you could clarify your somewhat contradictory statements!

[hubei_canuk]

Roger.
You have a serious lack of infromation in your posts. You are just replicating my previous posts. It would appear you might me just expressing hostility.
I cannot read your mind and know the hidden assumptions or conclusions are making and from what observations.
I am a total loss as to what conclusion you are trying to support.
If you are just reprinting my posts because you enjoy reading them, i don't mind.
I also enjoy re-reading my posts, at least the well-crafted ones.
I guess i am a little narcisstic.
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You already you weren't who i thought you were, so why did you reprint that?.
I've heard every kind of conclusion herefabout what i say afrom one extreme to the other. Soi have no idea it is what you are trying to say.
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Can you make some kind of specific statement with words using subjects, verbs predicates, conclusions, expressions etc?
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Try starting with just one and we'll take it from there.
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I DO have a feeling it is POLITICS with you. You are looking for me to be either FOR or AGAINST. I fact there is nothing here to be for or against. Owen is not Saddam Hussein nor is he Mother Theresa. there's nothing extreme here.
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When i write about something, i write about exactly wahat i am writing about nothing to do with being FOR or AGAINST a person.
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Edited Postscript

I see we are both in the middle of posting. So maybe i bespoke too soon. I'll have to go back and see what you added.

[hubei_canuk]

[hubei_canuk]

[chongcheng]

is taking the p!ss a personal attack?