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hubei_canuk
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 Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 12:40 pm Post subject: Really Tragic China Story |
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SARS did end the lives of Dr. Li's father, mother and wife. But it ignored his plea and merely ruined his own.
Dr. Li, a 40-year-old physician, returned from Beijing in late March carrying the SARS virus to this remote town in the northern region of Inner Mongolia, his family's home. He passed it to almost all of his close relatives. Then, after he finally beat the disease, he was arrested.
The police detained Dr. Li on charges of vandalism and violating an infectious disease law. Whatever the validity of the indictment, he stands at the center of a tragedy that involves as much psychological as physical trauma
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/15/international/asia/15SARS.html?ex=1053662400&en=d3420ed34888827c&ei=5040&partner=MOREOVER
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I suppose my headline is a little trite but i'm feeling sentimental today.
Such a horrible fate.
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Also, I'm not even sure the criminal charge is justified. There is no information in the article to suggest the doctor did anything to place others at risk. The beef they have apparently is that the doctor caused a disturbance when his father died. Apparently he was angry at the quality of care for his father. And it seems to cover themselves the authorities charged the patient!
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Add to this, today china passed a law giving authority under subjective conditions to execute SARS patients!!!
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With the stigmatization and violence against SARS patients, workers and hospitals it's little wonder many Chinese run for their hometowns when they feel sick.
It just makes the proplem worse. I thinkit's a universal human trait, this hate and fear. But that is the role for civilization, with its centuries of experience to counter. It should be able to counter the animal and uncivilized responses. Shouldn't it? |
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klasies
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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But that is the role for civilization, with its centuries of experience to counter. It should be able to counter the animal and uncivilized responses. Shouldn't it?
Hey HC, deep question but a valid one, will need some time to mull over it and will then try to give a decent answer to it. (just need to dig out my Philo:303 books)
Life moves on
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Roger
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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To - I quote - " e x e c u t e S A R S p a t i e n t s..." ?
Do you mean "execute", hube_canuk? |
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hubei_canuk
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Roger wrote: |
To - I quote - " e x e c u t e S A R S p a t i e n t s..." ?
Do you mean "execute", hube_canuk? |
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Sounds Fantastic! Doesn't it Roger?
Hubei_canuk MUST be crazy!!
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Wait a minute lets read the daily news..
or better yet i'll just repost my post from annother thread whichgh you missed.
No I am fully aware that there is a qualification added to the new law passed today... ie. that the execution law would apply to SARS patients that "break quarantine" however i would like to point out that Execution Laws the world over are abused on the use of subjective interpretation. This "subjective interpretation" is why Amnest International and many other Human rights organizations oppose Prisoner Organ Donors, Prison Labour, Captital Punishment and many other things. The laws in themselves can be reasonable even prisoner organ donors can make sense. It's just that the application can be abused. Once you have the law in place then you "find people guilty" to get their orgaans, to get 30 years of free factory workers etc etc.
In China, certainly capital punishment is abused. Any party Boss that wants to roll over economic opposition can have his opposition executed on trumped up charges. Judges with the authority to do this do not need high level qualifications and are appointed by "Guanxi".
Now we have the execution of Sars patients or Sars Cariers no difference. Not saying it has been abused. but the potential is there.
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And lets look at the case of the doctor in the news item. He is now theoretically facing the death penalty. And his crime seems to be that he offended the local party bosses of the hospital by denouncing the quality of care.
So who's crazy here?
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post from other thread.
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Death Penalty for SARS Patients!!
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(and they laughed at my predictions. A shot in the head will teachem real good!)
PS "resisting quarantine" can be liberally applied to all and sundry as they are subjective judgements. This is the problem of all such laws, is that they might seem reasonable on the books, but if they rely on subjective judgements they can be easily abused..
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BEIJING (Reuters) - China has said it will execute or award a jail sentence of up to life imprisonment for anyone violating quarantine and intentionally spreading SARS...
"Intentionally spreading sudden contagious disease pathogens, endangering public security or serious personal injury, death or heavy loss of public or private property will be punishable by from 10 years to life in prison or the death penalty," the state agency said.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=586&ncid=586&e=6&u=/nm/20030515/wl_nm/crime_sars_china_dc
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hubei_canuk
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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hubei_canuk
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But that is the role for civilization, with its centuries of experience to counter. It should be able to counter the animal and uncivilized responses. Shouldn't it?
Hey HC, deep question but a valid one, will need some time to mull over it and will then try to give a decent answer to it. (just need to dig out my Philo:303 books)
Life moves on
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Andre: You don't have time to go back to philosophy class now. You're not in Kansas anymore, beside the kids have all grown up.
The purpose of going to philosophy 303 is to develp some mature opinon and to develop your own character so you can find some answers yourself.
Yes, life moves on. For those who pay some attention to it and try to understand it, perhaps they can influence it.
Power of one and all that.
Chip-chip.
Stiff upper lip and all that!
Carry on! |
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klasies
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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hubei_canuk
OK
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Roger
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 4:15 am Post subject: |
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hubei_canuk,
I read your first post last night, and a little while later I visited an European website which corroborated your post in toto!
It is gruesome, incredibly true legal reality NOW!
I expect the SCMP and the CHINA DAILY to carry this news in their today's editions! |
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