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ouyang

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 193 Location: on them internets
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:07 am Post subject: Teacher, my brain is full now. |
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I remember a Gary Larson cartoon where a student asked to be excused by saying "Teacher, my brain is full now". Yahoo news reports that this is a real problem for second language learners. A new study shows that in order for your students to learn a second language their brains must physically grow, and as we age the ability of the brain to grow lessens.
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| people who speak two languages have more gray matter in the language region of the brain. The earlier they learned the language, the larger the gray area. |
Read the article here, http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&e=4&u=/nm/science_language_dc.
My opinion is that a healthy brain continues to grow or at least undergoes change throughout ones life. With the right techniques, circumstances, and teacher, any healthy person can learn a new language at any age. But the advantage of more brain matter that young learners can generate would definitely be an advantage.
Has anyone out there learned to speak a new language fluently at a late age? Did it give you a headache? |
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Ben Round de Bloc
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Teacher, my brain is full now. |
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| ouyang wrote: |
| Has anyone out there learned to speak a new language fluently at a late age? Did it give you a headache? |
There were some days after I moved to this country when I felt like the funnel that was channeling all the new vocabulary and language concepts into my brain was full and overflowing. It was like my brain needed to rest for a while before it could absorb any more. I can't cram even one more new word into my brain today!
I don't recall getting a headache while studying a new language, but I definitely remember a couple of my foreign language teachers who were a pain in the a$$. |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Probably the majority of peoples the world over acquire more than one language, and are equally proficient at each of them. In my own case, I am perfectly at ease speaking three different lingos, and I can handle a number of other languages to a lesser degree.
But my brain doesn't bulge nor hurt.
I suppose, it's like eating those beefsteaks. All eating and no exercise, you grow fat. And, "learning" and "learning" and then some more "learning" - that's overindulging with no beneficent effect. |
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Snoopy
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 185
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| I learned two languages at university level, and have since studied various others, usually a few weeks before going to the country. My experience is that the later in life that you learn it, the sooner it disappears through lack of use. A recent visit to Madrid showed that I can click back into fluent Spanish, even after many years of desuetude. Ask me something in Russian, Turkish, Thai or Arabic, and I would be struggling. |
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gtidey
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 93
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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i definetley get headaches, but indirectly. after being in a country a while i just can't look at signposts or shop names or anything else with foreign words on because i'm tired of not being able just to read them straight off. i think its everyones instictive reaction to look at the word and try to suss it out isnt it? i actually drive down motorways activley staring ahead when im passing anything but the most urgent of signs!
"No!! I dont care what 'frango churrado' means!"
well thats a bad example because frango churrado is grilled chicken and, hot damn, i care about that. |
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moonraven
Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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I learned Spanish at 49--if that qualifies as a "late" age. I learned it easily, probably because I was also writing in the language. I did notice , however, that it was not the snap to learn a language that it was when I was a teenager or in my 20s--when I learned Latin, French, German and a bit of Gaelic.
I believe that some people simply have more facility for learning languages, more genuine curiosity about other cultures. |
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:32 am Post subject: Overindulgence in learning |
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| Roger wrote: |
| And, "learning" and "learning" and then some more "learning" - that's overindulging with no [beneficient] effect. |
My wife teases me about my own "overindulgence" in learning. Before I came to China three years ago to teach EFL, I had spent a considerable amount of my adult life being a student, be in full-time, part-time or in distance learning, in a wide variety of disciplines in the arts (including modern languages), social sciences, mathematics and the (physical) sciences.
My qualifications at tertiary level range from certificates in social sciences and chemistry (one of each!) to an MBA degree. And now I have been teaching English in China for nearly three years! "Your qualifications are USELESS!!" she cries almost in despair. "What was the point in doing all these courses? Where are the high salary jobs?!" I studied mostly for interest because I was what a professor of mathematics in London called a "learning junkie", although I did take my final exam to date three years ago this month just before I came to China.
I believe in giving oneself a wide-ranging education at the tertiary level, since many people just specialise in one or two disciplines and virtually nothing else, hence the reason for my wanting to study sciences as well as the arts (since I studied modern languages for "A"-level when I was in school).
If and when I do return to the UK and/or an EU country after leaving China (although I have as yet no idea when that will be), I would certainly want to resume studying again on a distance-learning or part-time basis, such as for a DELTA/Trinity Diploma in TESOL and/or a master's degree in education in order to get an EFL management position. As for the "high salary jobs", I guess that they will come sooner or later (after the Diploma, perhaps?), but, being the realistic person that I am, they won't come any time soon! |
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