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[jeddahteacher]

What do they sell at Burger King?
Jt

http://vho.org/tr/2004/1/Graf97-101.html
Richard Krege presented the initial results of his research, displayed on slides, at two conferences (in June 2001 in Washington and in January 2002 in Moscow). While the scans of Birkenau showed evidence of massive ground disturbances, strengthening support for the presence of an earlier mass grave, all traces of similar soil disturbances are missing in Treblinka and Belzec. The only logical conclusion is that these huge mass graves, containing up to one and a half million corpses (per Encyclopedia of the Holocaust: 870,000 in Treblinka and 600,000 in Belzec), never existed. This fact alone suffices to make the official version of the Holocaust collapse like a house of cards.

[David Bowles]

Orwell bashing Orwell? I do wonder how many of the posters on here are actually the same person, and how many are where they claim to be and doing what they claim. I, for instance, am entirely fictional.

PS Douglas Adams did the political analysis better than Orwell.

[Gowump]

JT
Are you trying to say the Holocaust didn't happen? I have been to Treblinka, Auschwitz-Birkenau (Oswiecim to be exact), and Majdanek. These my friend existed and still do,as a reminder of what Genocide and hate can do. Please, come to Poland and tell some of the older generation that these places were a figment of their imagination. But, I think this is a waste of time, because once you hate you always will.

[AsiaTraveller]

Let's not bash the Luddite/Lubbock too hard. He's our resident pseudo-intellectual twit. Every online forum needs one.

Without such a target who continually invites ridicule and error-correction, our threads here would be dull indeed.

For the record, take a look at how many of his original posts in various threads Ludders subsequently "edits" after somebody points out an error. Yet he is too full of pride, ego and self-satisfaction to thank anyone who helps him make the correction -- or, indeed, even to admit that he made an error in the first place!

That is worth Olympic gold for Ludwig/Lubeck in the Hubris Marathon.

[jeddahteacher]

http://vho.org/tr/2004/1/Graf97-101.html
Our interest in Treblinka was renewed by the end of 1999, when our Australian friend Fredrick Toeben informed us of the ground-penetrating radar investigations by his fellow Australian Richard Krege, a young engineer. By means of radar, which discovers irregularities of the soil structure and can indicate underground finds as buried objects and grave sites, Krege investigated the area of Treblinka, which, according to eyewitnesses, contained huge mass graves. Since neither Treblinka, nor Belzec, Sobibor, or Chelmno are alleged to have had crematoria, the corpses of 750,000 to three million murdered Jews (the numbers depending on the author) were first buried in mass graves, but then, following the spring of 1943, dug up and cremated in open air on huge gratings, allegedly without leaving a trace. Based on preliminary results from several days worth of radar investigations in October 1999, Krege came to the conclusion that the soil in the zone of the alleged mass graves was completely untouched and that therefore the graves had never existed.

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This was exciting news. If Krege’s results were correct, then the extermination camp story was, with absolute scientific certainty, finished, for the official version of Treblinka stands and falls with the existence of those graves. I quickly contacted the Australian engineer by telephone in order to learn the details. He informed me that his data were incomplete: Further on-site investigations were necessary....

[distiller]

[AsiaTraveller]

Somebody who is a contented resident of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

[extoere]

JeddahTeacher, one of the recent posts quite thoughtfully pointed out that so often we base our beliefs on what we're told, rather than what we know firsthand to be factual. Many of us agree with him. You have an alarming tendency to conveniently ignore factual evidence of the massive holocaust that occurred in Europe in World War II. Endless testimony by witnesses and perpetrators. Indisputable films and photographs. Mountains of bones and charred remains. Your continuing denial seems to be occasioned by some pretty strange motivation.

You refer to yourself as an American "Indian." Not too sure what the hell that has to do with it, but you're quite right that American Indians were systematically slaughtered. As so many other groups. By so many other "civilized" nations. Throughout history. Right up to the present. But your manner of selectively choosing facts to support your grotesquely imbalanced views reveals some disturbing tendencies.

And given your obvious devotion to an extremely racist regime in the Middle East, you place yourself on the thin edge of personal jeopardy. I doubt seriously that one such as you will be able to resist the urge to expound at some time in the future in a way that will result far more than a slap in the mouth. At the moment, though, many of us would be quite grateful for the opportunity for even that small token of our feelings for you.

I seriously doubt that anyone on this site has so thoroughly earned such unyielding enmity.

Seriously suggest you have a DNA test.

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[jeddahteacher]

http://vho.org/tr/2004/1/Graf97-101.html
If the story were true that "the corpses of 750,000 to three million murdered Jews (the numbers depending on the author) were first buried in mass graves, but then, following the spring of 1943, dug up and cremated in open air on huge gratings" there would evidence today of massive holes in the ground that had been dug, filled with bodies, covered, re-excavated, and refilled.
Ground penetrating radar is a standard industrial technique for discovering the location of graves, i.e. holes in the ground that have been dug and covered with dirt.
All the people who believe that "the corpses of 750,000 to three million murdered Jews (the numbers depending on the author) were first buried in mass graves, but then, following the spring of 1943, dug up and cremated in open air on huge gratings" had to do to prove that the people in the cited article are liars was to pull out a credit card and rent a ground penetration radar device and find the allegedly missing holes.
They have had five years to find their credit cards.
I suggest that interested persons search Google for "Treblinka ground penetrating radar" and come to their own conclusions.
There is more to history that "Holocaust" movies.
JT

[jeddahteacher]

I have never suggested that I am in part American Indian although 350 years ago one of my ancestors was captured and raised by an Indian tribe. Most of the time my ancestors were being killed by Indians or busy killing Indians. History can be that way.
JT

[AsiaTraveller]

The Luddite doesn't know (or indicate) whom he's referring to. He's really starting to lash out wildly and uncontrollably.

Does anyone in Hong Kong SAR check in on dear Luddy on a regular basis to make sure of his mental health and well being? We don't want to lose such a mind to creeping Alzheimer's. Those synapses are starting to fire at random.

Touched a truly raw nerve, have we?

Added on Wednesday, October 20:
Ludwig/Lubeck has deleted all of his recent posts on this thread. Wonder why... And further examination shows that Ludwig/Lubeck has disappeared entirely from Dave's ESL Cafe!!

[jeddahteacher]

http://amren.com/
October 20, 2004
ACT Gap Persists In D.M. District, Des Moines Register 5 comments
Experts think low self-esteem among non-whites explains racial test gaps.

[jeddahteacher]

Catholic school parents consider police report
Urip Hudiono, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

The parents of children attending the Sang Timur Catholic School in Ciledug, Tangerang, are considering filing a complaint with the police following the almost complete sealing off the school for more than two weeks by a zealot group.

"We are still trying to resolve the matter amicably. Should this fail, we may report the case to the police as a last resort," parents' forum chairman Hillon Goa said on Wednesday.

He said that should no amicable solution be possible, the parents would lodge a complaint with the Tangerang Police on Thursday, although he was not yet sure precisely what the contents of the complaint would be.

"Our legal advisors are still working out the specific details," he said. "Obviously, we will be requesting that the government ensure that the basic, constitutional right of our children to an education is fulfilled."

Hillon explained that although the children had returned to school, they would still be afraid and insecure -- which would affect their studies -- as long as the problem persisted.

A group calling itself the Karang Tengah Islamic Communication Forum held a rally at the school on Oct. 3, protesting that Catholic religious services were being held there.

The rally ended with the group sealing the school's front entrance gate with a two-meter-high concrete wall, which forced the school to postpone the return to school of its 2,417 students -- including 137 autistic and mentally retarded children -- for a week.

As the back entrance to the school is inconvenient for the children, the school decided to open a new entrance on its eastern side to provide easier access for them.

However, on Wednesday morning the same group stopped all vehicles dropping off students at the new gate.

Upon learning of the new incident, dozens of parents immediately came to the school to pick up their children.

Ibu Mega, one of the parents, said she had decided to come to the school in person as she was worried that her 11-year-old daughter, who is in fifth grade, would be further traumatized.

"She recently lost her father. With this trouble at the school, I've noticed that her grades have been dropping," she said. "I have been thinking of taking her to a psychiatrist."

Parents have also reported their dilemma to the executive board of Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), the country's largest and most influential Muslim organization.

Following a meeting on Tuesday night with the chairman of the NU's advisory board, Abdurrahman "Gus Dur" Wahid, Hillon said Gus Dur had expressed a willingness to help settle the case, while making clear that the NU would not tolerate one-sided actions that violated the law.

Separately, the Indonesian Catholic Community Forum has reported the case to the National Commission on Human Rights (Komnas HAM). Officials from commission visited the school last week to collect information of the case.


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[jeddahteacher]

Interesting conflict going on at Duke University. Entire article is at link below.
JT

http://www.chronicle.duke.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/10/18/4173b1de57041

This story was printed from The Chronicle.
Site URL: http://www.chronicle.duke.edu.
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October 18, 2004
The Jews
by Philip Kurian
You are not required to complete the work, yet you are not allowed to desist from it.

—Pirkei Avot (The Book of Principles), 2:21

Such describes the Jewish concept of Tikkun Olam. Perfecting, preparing or repairing the world: a credo that, to many Jews, prescribes what role they should play in the wider concerns of our society. Judging by the opposition to this past weekend’s Palestine Solidarity Movement conference, however, I cannot help but conclude that the powerful Jewish establishment has distorted the meaning of this age-old teaching.

It is well known that Jews constitute the most privileged “minority” group in this country. Among the top 10 universities, Jews enjoy shocking overrepresentation: Only the California Institute of Technology has an undergraduate Jewish population below 10 percent, and four schools have particularly stark Jewish advantages—Harvard (30 percent), Yale (23 percent), UPenn (31 percent) and Columbia (25 percent). Keep in mind that, at best estimate, no more than 3 percent of all Americans are Jewish.

[jeddahteacher]

Court warning on "racist pets"

22nd October 2004
Pet owners have been warned that they could be held responsible for the racist actions of their animals under Britain's anti-hate legislation.

This warning came after astonishing scenes at a English magistrates court earlier this week. "Trigger", a former brewery dray horse of some 12 years but who now entertains children who are able to pet him and ride on him at fetes and fairs was brought before the court for alleged racist behaviour, namely that on April 1st this year, "Trigger" did cause a racially aggravated assault by rearing up on his hind legs and throwing to the ground Ali Khan at a country fair at Follyton near Luton, Beds.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/2004_oct/news_oct33.htm