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extoere
Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 543
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:10 pm Post subject: 2004 Elections |
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Poro: You're also right about LA's dependency on water. Jeez, even "Chinatown," a Chandler story set in the late 30s, demonstrated that. But the demographics of places like LA, San Francisco and Vegas cannot be ignored by politicians of both parties seeking office. Just as critical as water is the elaborate social system created in these cities, such as the medical programs in which I work, that are so utterly dependent on constant infusions of federal aid ---- meaning, of course, the taxes paid by those in other areas, whose "broad-based contributions," as one Democratic counselor so felicitously termed them --- might better be used for other, equally pressing problems at their point of origin. While you're at it, you might want to check the number of emergency rooms, from Southern California through Texas, forced to close because of their immediate accessibility by ---- and let's be very clear on this ---- anyone; that's anyone --- taking a taxi from a border town in Mexico to any border city in the U.S.
Now, I'm going to try to temporarily put aside these trivial speculations and watch a football game; tomorrow, the medical charts.
cheers,
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poro
Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 274
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: 2004 Presidential Elections |
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| Except for your denial of "backpacks." They do exist in reasonably manageable sizes, but large enough to require four carriers. |
How do you know?
For me, stories like this are too "good" to be true. I'm not saying they are entirely implausible, but they do have a somewhat fictional ring to them, and I am sceptical.
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| ...as I lay close to death on a hospital gurney... |
I hope you aren't serious about that. If you are, then please get well soon.
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| But Pakistan has long been the worry for nuclear proliferation, over 20 years now. And the reports come not only from the U.S. and Britain, but from UN investigations. I think there's evidence aplenty that Pakistani scientists and generals have indeed aided proliferation. And within the last week, the UN's own inspectors have issued a report detailing their discovery of missing nuclear development devices previously known to be in Iraq. |
The trouble is, we don't know what's true, and what isn't. We were lectured in the 70s and 80s that XXX kg of this and that would go missing every year; that the South Africans and Israelis were deviously involved; and that Saddam was a bulwark against Islamism, and therefore to be supported.
These days it seems that possession of a machine tool - or even the wish to possess one, in the case of some people - is proof of nefarious intent.
You draw your conclusions, and I'll draw mine.
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| The son of whom I sometimes speak was, at different times, both a Ranger and a member of a Special Forces group. He's also a qualified Jumpmaster and Pathfinder. If you're truly an Army veteran, I think you'll know the significance of these qualifications without going into them, right? |
It means he's a soldier, as I was. I served for 9 years, and understand what you're talking about.
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| Ironically, he just called me from Texas where he's involved in desert training, prior to deployment to Iraq. Although he's rarin' to go, his descriptions of our remaining personnel resources leave me with a growing sense of urgency about the ability of an all-volunteer Army to sustain its mission --- at least in its present use. I think we can certainly expect some major shifts immediately following the election. |
It's not that you don't have enough men, just that you can't be everywhere at once, exto. No need to labour this point.
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| And on that point, I'm giving less and less of a damn WHO wins, because either candidate will be faced with the same grim realities. |
Then vote for Kerry, please, if for no other reason than the world will be willing to work with you again. Or do it for me - it does not suit my mentality to think of America as the bad guys, and GWB sends the world an exceptionally negative message of America. Greetings from the Arctic. |
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extoere
Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 543
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:41 pm Post subject: 2004 Presidential Election |
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Poro: Thanks for such a delightfully engaging response. Again, I find I'm in agreement with you on so many points. Mainly, on our dependency to "know" anything beyond what we're told. That's so true. As you said, we'll choose whom and what to believe and leave it there.
Re: the "gurney," I've been there several times, in multiple life-threatening conditions, and I'm not at all worried about the future; I try to concentrate on enjoying life, meaning indulging myself in everything a prudent soul wouldn't. Alas, now without my motorcycle. But thanks very much for the thoughts.
Nine years is a long time in the Army. Assume it was either Canadian, British or some UK country. Ancecdote. When he was an 18 yr old kid, fresh from Hawaii, a specialized company of his Ranger Batt was given a joint assignment with a reinforced squad of the SAS, the military unit to whose proficiency all other units the world over aspire. Involved special helicopter insertions and extractions in hostage situations. Assembled in a darkened auditorium, the US kids were in awe of these famed Brit commandos, who marched in to the eerie sounds of bagpipes as the lights were slowly potted up. Said they could have kept their choppers flying on the energy of their own adrenalin. Still talks about it.
cheers,
extoere
P.S. Overwhelmingly, the polls look bad for Kerry. Overwhelmingly, the future of Iraq looks bleak for most of us. No matter who wins. |
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texastmblwd69
Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 91 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| I'm as American as apple pie and I'll be casting my vote for Kerry. However, since I'm a resident of Texas, I'm afraid I might as well be voting for Clarence the Crosseyed Lion, since all of Texas' electoral college votes are guaranteed to be cast for Bush. Still, when faced with two evils (bigoted, hate-filled, my-way-or-the-highway Bush or not bigoted, sometimes confused, big hair, war hero Kerry), I'll take Kerry. Nader and the "also-rans" don't have a snowball's chance in hades. |
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extoere
Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 543
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:27 am Post subject: 2004 Presidential Election |
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Tumbleweed: Sounds like a Yellow Dog Democrat to me. But that dawg don't hunt much anymore, does it! And when did a Texan start using the word "hades," 'stead a "Hell?" You musta be listenin' to Dixie Squawks 'n readin' the Observer! Next thang, it'll be Garrison Keilor 'n Prarie Home Companion. But I reckon ol' Kerry's got as much chance a winnin' Texas as ol' Garrison has of voluntarily givin' up his multi-million dollar public subsidy. Me, I don't give a hoot 'n a holler ....
cheers,
ex
P.S. Better luck at the Big Shootout Next Year In Dallas! |
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texastmblwd69
Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 91 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: 2004 Presidential Election |
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Tumbleweed: Sounds like a Yellow Dog Democrat to me. But that dawg don't hunt much anymore, does it! And when did a Texan start using the word "hades," 'stead a "Hell?" You musta be listenin' to Dixie Squawks 'n readin' the Observer! Next thang, it'll be Garrison Keilor 'n Prarie Home Companion. But I reckon ol' Kerry's got as much chance a winnin' Texas as ol' Garrison has of voluntarily givin' up his multi-million dollar public subsidy. Me, I don't give a hoot 'n a holler ....
cheers,
ex
P.S. Better luck at the Big Shootout Next Year In Dallas! |
Sorry, I didn't feel like reviewing the fine print to determine whether "hell" was a no-no in this forum or not.
Just as the bumper sticker on my car reads "Minds are like parachutes. They work best when open." I see that yours, Extoere is closed, just as Mr. Bush's is. He's stated on many occasions that he's not interested in changing his mind when he believes he's right. The definition of liberal is "Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry" (from dictionary.com) and therefore I am a proud liberal. I am not limited by your dogma/bigotry or anyone else's.
PS I don't give a rat's a** about the Red River Shootout. Football bores me to tears. I'm not a Longhorn anyway, I'm a Bobcat (Texas State University), currently residing in Houston. |
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extoere
Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 543
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:36 pm Post subject: 2004 Presidential Election |
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Tumbleweed: Dang me! Oughta take a rope 'n hang me!
Everyone has their burden. Living in Houston is indeed a torturous form of punishment. But cheer up. Tomorrow Is Another Day. You might move to San Antonio!
cheers,
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poro
Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 274
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: 2004 Presidential Election |
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| Poro: Thanks for such a delightfully engaging response. Again, I find I'm in agreement with you on so many points. |
Thanks, extoere. I know we don't agree on everything, but it's nice to find points of convergence.
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| Re: the "gurney," I've been there several times, in multiple life-threatening conditions, and I'm not at all worried about the future; I try to concentrate on enjoying life, meaning indulging myself in everything a prudent soul wouldn't. Alas, now without my motorcycle. But thanks very much for the thoughts. |
No problem, exto, just stay healthy.
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| Nine years is a long time in the Army. Assume it was either Canadian, British or some UK country. |
Yep, far too long, but I have only myself to blame. If I had known I would end up under my mother's flag, I would never have served under my father's. But, crystal balls were in short supply, and I didn't have one.
I regret wasting those years.
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| the SAS..... these famed Brit commandos |
Hehe! There's no reason to go overboard about them, and there's nothing they can do that your son couldn't, given the same training (if he hasn't had it already).
Night insertions? Do you know about the not so famed SAS "night insertion" by parachute into the jungle (!!) during which so many men broke their legs in the trees that the unit was no longer operational?
They have their share of failures, just like anyone else, and America's best have no reason to be in awe of them.
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| ...who marched in to the eerie sounds of bagpipes.... |
Oh no! That can't be true - please tell me it isn't! |
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extoere
Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 543
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:41 pm Post subject: 2004 Presidential Election |
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Poro: Healthy? Wouldn't know Healthy if Healthy walked up and kicked me in the nuts. I'd have to give up smoking, drinking and Buddhist Nuns in Ancient Chinese Temples. I'd have to eat a steady diet of whole, charbroiled sesame seeds and parbroiled cauliflower, and suck on ice cubes of Poland Water. Come to think of it, though, Glenn Gould did all that and died right on schedule at around 50, didn't he? And more's the pity that this greatest of Bach's interpreters probably never knew a single Buddhist Nun during all those years of fugue-ing. So, when the lights go out, I fully intend to have a grin on my face in the full knowledge that I'm simultaneously Going and Coming.
The SAS wrote the book. Our Delta Force, comprised of ex-Rangers, Berets and a few others, is probably just as good. Ranger units, though, are classified as light infantry assault troops, whose role is pretty well prescribed, and not as highly trained as SAS. Only three batts of 600 men at any given time, total of only 1800 active Rangers. Broken legs are nearly order of the day. In Panama, because of low-firing anti-aircraft, they were dropped with no emergency chutes at less than 500 feet. In Georgia, a kid doing a night training jump with my son had his face taken off by a jagged tree branch. The high casualty rate tends to steer older, smarter guys into the Berets, where the livin' is much easier.
All in all, the appeal of extreme danger, including high-risk assignments with less than a 50% chance of success, is what seems to turn on these young turks. In the case of my youngest, when he was an 8-yr-old, growing up in an idyllic little windward community of Hawaii, he and his best buddy used to climb up into the mountains, playing Army. Out of high school, he became a Ranger; the other kid became a Recon Marine. Today, he's a sushi chef; the other a math teacher. They both have great kids, both are in the Hawaii Guard, and are currently in desert training in Texas, soon to be in Iraq. Why these kids wanted to be warriors, I'll never understand. I sometimes taught school with the other kid's mother, and neither family was pro-military, and both were very anti-war.
Bagpipes? Yeah, bagpipes. Don't think he'd ever heard live bagpipes (he was a violinist). But I can understand how their eerie notes, layered over the rising sound of blackened-face SAS studs marching into a dimly lit auditorium would raise the adrenalin level of a roomful of 18 yr olds.
Back on topic, a check of the polls today indicates Bush leading in a big majority of them, including the all-important Zogby. With about two weeks remaining, I think we can expect voices to become more strident and accusations to become wilder. Maybe even a redux of the famed Texas Yellow Dawg Democratis' claim of "My opponent _____ pigs!"
best,
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distiller

Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 249
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| The latest Zolgby poll http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=895 has it locked at 45% and really at this point there is little use trying to say anyone is ahead because everyone's lead whether it be Bush or Kerry falls within the margin of error and so many of the polls contradict each other. All we can really say is that it is going to be rally tight. Democrats have registered more voters http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041019/ap_on_el_pr/winning_the_new_voters_7 but it could go eihter way as Kerry and Bush are both holding onto leads of less than 5% in about 11 states worth over 120 electoral votes. |
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extoere
Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 543
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:19 am Post subject: 2004 Presidential Election |
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Distiller: Quite so.
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extoere
Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 543
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:49 am Post subject: 2004 Presidential Election |
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Cap'n Yossarian: Gabriel Marquez' new book was published just today in Mexico City. Its title is "Memories of My Melancholy W-h-o-r-e-s." Yes, as you say, I can just imagine he and Bubba in late-night, probably to early-morning, discussions.
Cheers,
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moonraven
Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Just what we need--some moldy fantasizer passing judgment on other folks' wild oats.
Perhaps you should be advised that Garcia Marquez' new book, Memorias de mis tristes putas, is a NOVEL. |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't a novel a book? It's certainly not a newspaper or magazine. |
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moonraven
Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Uh--dumbo, my point was that the book is not another volume of Gabo's autobiography. It is fiction. Ergo, it's unlikely that it would provoke a discussion with "Bubba" in regard to whores-I-have-known. |
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