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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:44 am Post subject: |
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With regards to the question "who doesn't covet the American college system" I would say the British, French, Germans, Swedish and most other Europeans, the Japanese, the Russians before the fall of communism, and a few others.
The question does need asking however of "which American College system"? MIT, Harvard, Yale, Goergetown, and many other top rank universities are admired the world over, and the only institutions considered coming close to them are Oxbridge, some London colleges, the Grandes Ecoles in France, and for Computing Science the Indian Institutes of Technology. None of these institutions are of course typical of the wider educational system in their respective countries. |
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texastmblwd69
Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 91 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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With regards to the question "who doesn't covet the American college system" I would say the British, French, Germans, Swedish and most other Europeans, the Japanese, the Russians before the fall of communism, and a few others.
The question does need asking however of "which American College system"? MIT, Harvard, Yale, Goergetown, and many other top rank universities are admired the world over, and the only institutions considered coming close to them are Oxbridge, some London colleges, the Grandes Ecoles in France, and for Computing Science the Indian Institutes of Technology. None of these institutions are of course typical of the wider educational system in their respective countries. |
Really though, only a handfull of British Universities are competitive with American Universities when attracting foreign students and European universities are having to either change to the American model or continue relying on massive government aid to stay afloat. |
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Boy Wonder

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 453 Location: Clacton on sea
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Worst country to teach English in............from a professional standpoint.
Greece......wins hands down everytime.
Reason...you are hired in most cases only to prepare students for FCE and conduct tests.
You become a not very well paid and not very well respected or treated exam pusher who if deviates from the Exam Test book will incur the wrath of your employers. |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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All British universities attract foreign students. An ex-Poytechnic is unlikely to compete with Harvard or Yale, just as a mid-West Community College won't compete with Oxford or Cambridge.
All European universities depend on state aid. It is simply another method of funding. To say that is a weakness is like saying that American universities would go broke if they didn't have all these endowment funds. |
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:43 pm Post subject: University of Buckingham (UK) is (still?) private |
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| Stephen Jones wrote: |
| All European universities depend on state aid. |
As far as I know, the University of Buckingham has been, and probably remains, the UK's only privately-funded university. All students must pay full tuition fees, including British students, since the government does not provide it with the usual kind of funding that state universities receive - unless something has changed regarding the way it is funded since I first heard about it more than 20 years ago. |
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Captain Yossarian
Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 385 Location: Dongbei
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:52 am Post subject: |
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Buckingham is indeed still run without state aid - and is the only private university in Britain.
However much it pains me to say - the US model is in the ascendant. As a previous poster mentioned - there are not that many institutions that compete on an equal footing with MIT, Harvard, Yale etc. Oxford and Cambridge are completely unique. The London School of Economics (LSE) has an intake of more than 50% from outside the UK. The university is therefore taking in millions in fees that it wouldn't from British students. It is a wonderful institution academically but in terms of facilities it pales compared with anything in the US.
Many Chinese students are simply flabbergasted when they learn that in Europe students don't usually pay fees for school or university education (a situation that has recently changed in the UK, though not in Scotland). |
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waxwing
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 719 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| texastmblwd69 wrote: |
| Stephen Jones wrote: |
With regards to the question "who doesn't covet the American college system" I would say the British, French, Germans, Swedish and most other Europeans, the Japanese, the Russians before the fall of communism, and a few others.
The question does need asking however of "which American College system"? MIT, Harvard, Yale, Goergetown, and many other top rank universities are admired the world over, and the only institutions considered coming close to them are Oxbridge, some London colleges, the Grandes Ecoles in France, and for Computing Science the Indian Institutes of Technology. None of these institutions are of course typical of the wider educational system in their respective countries. |
Really though, only a handfull of British Universities are competitive with American Universities when attracting foreign students and European universities are having to either change to the American model or continue relying on massive government aid to stay afloat. |
Yes but that's nothing to do with perception of quality. It's about prestige and language. America, and to a much lesser extent Canada and Britain and the English-speaking world in general is where people want to emigrate, and English is the international language of business. Why would they want to go to the trouble of paying for a French-language education? They've all learnt English at school. You're putting the cart before the horse. They don't prefer American Universities to French ones for academic reasons. |
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texastmblwd69
Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 91 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: "I tovo i drugovo ... i mogu bez khleba"
Interyesno... bez khleba, navyerno...bez myasa, mozhet byt, a bez vodki, ne dumayu! |
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject: Anybody speak Russian? |
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Quote: "I tovo i drugovo ... i mogu bez khleba"
Interyesno... bez khleba, navyerno...bez myasa, mozhet byt, a bez vodki, ne dumayu! |
Anybody else speak Russian around here? A translation of the above citation would be appreciated for those who have not learned any Russian apart from the alphabet and how to write it in cursive script (in my case, 21 years ago.....). |
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waxwing
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 719 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Certainly.
"Both one and the other .. and can I have it without bread?"
(for some reason texas.. has slightly misquoted me, it should be 'mozhno', not 'mogu')
My quote is from the Russian version of Winnie the Pooh, I won't go into details for fear of boring you.
His reply reads:
'Interesting .. without bread, probably, without meat, perhaps, but without vodka, I don't think so!' |
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