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Captain Yossarian
Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 385 Location: Dongbei
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:10 am Post subject: Bush is nearly home and dry! |
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Despite some optimistic soundings early on it seems that Bush is pulling away. Early reports sounded good for the Democrats but it's all gone horribly wrong! |
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Seth
Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 575 Location: in exile
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:42 am Post subject: what would jesus bomb? |
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i think kerry misundersestimated the religious nutter vote. that's something in US politics that other western countries don't have to worry about. as we know, bush is a 'christian' and jesus is a republican. in arkansas the GOP even circulated fliers that democrats would ban the bible if elected. |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:53 am Post subject: |
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I hate to have to say this as I did vote for Kerry, but how can the Democratic party be so stupid as to ignore these religious zealots? Why not call them to the table? Jerry Falwell: why not remind voters about how so much alike he is to Bill Clinton when it comes to sexual proclivities? Catholics: Fooled around with any little boys lately? Religious anti-abortionists: Bombed any clinics lately?
There are some evil, evil right-wingers out there (and, of course, some equally evil left-wingers as well). The Republicans play dirty and, if the Democrats hope to get back into the White House, they need to do the same. It WOULD be nice to have nice, clean, LEGAL races - - but I don't think America wants that anymore. When rags like the National Enquirer have such high sales and shows like Jerry Springer's are still on the air and going strong, you kinda know the mindset of so many Americans out there (granted, probably the kind of people that read and watch these kinds of things DON'T vote, but you get the idea) |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Sadly, the extremist roots of US culture are exposed to the world more than ever before. I read an interesting analysis in Newsweek recently; that the real split is more complicated than religion - it's reflected in urban, progressive, educated as versus rural, less educated, and regressive (where, of course, religion generally has more influence).
In any case, the world has just become a tougher place for all of us abroad with US passports. I've got mine in a blank cover, so that at least everyone in the passport entry lines around me doesn't have to know where I'm from. And I don't travel in groups of other Americans.
My father fought in WW2 and I grew up truly feeling that the US is great and strong and good - and it IS. But is the nation going down a horribly wrong path, steered by the regressive half of the population, and in so doing, making the world a far more dangerous place? It seems so to me. |
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Communist Smurf

Joined: 24 Jun 2003 Posts: 330 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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kev7161 wrote: |
I hate to have to say this as I did vote for Kerry, but how can the Democratic party be so stupid as to ignore these religious zealots? Why not call them to the table? Jerry Falwell: why not remind voters about how so much alike he is to Bill Clinton when it comes to sexual proclivities? Catholics: Fooled around with any little boys lately? Religious anti-abortionists: Bombed any clinics lately? |
Your ignorance of religion is far greater than your assessment of the Democratic party.
1. Bush is not only not Catholic, he is almost anti-Catholic (but would never say this on television).
2. Kerry is Catholic.
3. Although I'm not a fan of Jerry Falwell, you made that up. I don't know if Bill Clinton would be more insulted or confused by what you just said.
4. Bombed any clinics lately? Hmm, show me an article where it happened in the last four years. Idiot.
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The Great Wall of Whiner

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 4946 Location: Blabbing
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Comunist Smurf wrote:
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1. Bush is not only not Catholic, he is almost anti-Catholic (but would never say this on television). |
GOP Rallies Catholics to Support Bush
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0904/170385.html
Bush Stumps for Catholics' Support
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29805%257E2312274,00.html
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3. Although I'm not a fan of Jerry Falwell, you made that up. I don't know if Bill Clinton would be more insulted or confused by what you just said. |
Jerry Falwell caught in Gay Scandal
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/stories/feature.cfm?instanceid=19343
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4. Bombed any clinics lately? Hmm, show me an article where it happened in the last four years. |
Bay Area Man "Periliously Close" to New Clinic Bombing
www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/news/7250984.htm
While I only spent a few minutes digging these articles up, it shows that you are not completely 100% accurate, either.
Do your homework before you make huge, sweeping statements next time.
I think you owe someone an apology. |
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Communist Smurf

Joined: 24 Jun 2003 Posts: 330 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:59 am Post subject: |
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If the Catholic support Bush because he is against abortion and gay marriage, it isn't because Bush is Catholic. Bush's base isn't the Catholics, it's the Protestants. I think that just comes to show you how weak of a candidate Kerry was, considering he is Catholic and was even against gay marriage.
Ok, the Jerry Falwell thing proves you didn't do *your* homework. If you bothered to read the article you posted (by the way, NATIONAL ENQUIRER!?), you would have noticed the homosexual activity proported had nothing to do with Jerry Falwell himself. Second, the Idiot's comparision was to Bill Clinton, who has no allegations of homosexual activity.
Yes, exactly. *Periliously close*. Do you know what it means when you almost bomb an abortion clinic? It means you didn't bomb an abortion clinic. Do you know what it means when you almost researched your answers? It means you didn't research your answers. Do you know what it means when you kind of know what you're talking about? It means you don't know what you're talking about.
Now allow me to almost apologize. Moron.
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:58 am Post subject: |
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1. Bush is not only not Catholic, he is almost anti-Catholic (but would never say this on television). Where, exactly, in my post did I say Bush was a Catholic? I'll make my meaning clearer for someone like you: Big religions (and the Catholic church is one of the biggest) - stick their necks into politics and make proclamations such as "abortions are WRONG", "gay people are SINNERS", "gay marriages are an aberration towards ALL THAT'S HOLY", etc. And don't think for a minute that the Catholic church doesn't have money to give to the candidate that supports their mandates the most, because you would be WRONG!
2. Kerry is Catholic. Where, exactly, in my post did I say that Kerry was not Catholic? But the Catholic church made it very clear who they were not supporting and that was Kerry. I'm still not sure why voters use the words of their church when deciding on who they think will make a better leader (Dems and Reps alike). I'm sure CS is a devout Christian and goodie for him. But "belief in God" is not going to untangle this mess Bush has gotten our country into.
3. Although I'm not a fan of Jerry Falwell, you made that up. I don't know if Bill Clinton would be more insulted or confused by what you just said. Oh, my mistake. I listed the wrong, right-wing, hypocritical extreme religious zealot. I was referring to Jimmy Swaggart (remember him?). But there's enough about Falwell that still supports my statements:
http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/Falwell/falwell3.html
4. Bombed any clinics lately? Hmm, show me an article where it happened in the last four years. Well, in this particular comment . . . geez! Why bother? Great Wall did a wonderful job of supporting my comments and I appreciate it. You can nitpick all you want CS, but it is so easy to find all this scandal and corruption in politics. I will never say our Democratic presidents have been flawless, but they certainly have been more human and humane than our Republican "leaders". And the sad thing is, they (the Republicans) make it so EASY for us to pinpoint their corrupt tendencies.
Idiot. Thank you, that one word alone proves my point about extreme right-wing conservatives. Name calling and mud slinging are the norm in Republican politics it seems. Those pictures of Bush wagging his middle finger is a fine example so I am grateful you posted that for us all to see.
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moonraven
Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:02 am Post subject: |
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I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE ALL STOPPED RESPONDING TO COMMIE SMURF. HE THRIVES ON NEGATIVE ATTENTION. |
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leeroy
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 777 Location: London UK
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I hate posters like that  |
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blue jay

Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 119 Location: Vancouver, formerly Osaka, Japan
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:26 am Post subject: |
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I read an editorial of interest in our local paper, The Vancouver Sun, on Wed. Nov. 3, 2004 by Charles Gordon about the difference between Canadian & American elections:
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As for the differences between election practices in the two countries there are many.
Religion. In the US, religion matters a lot. Both presidential candidates seem to be rather devout types, but even if they weren't they would have to pretend to be. God enters many political speeches and, of course, blesses America at every baseball game during the seventh-inning stretch.
Now that the Americans are over their hang-up about electing a Roman Catholic, it is probably fair to say that it is not which religion a candidate has that matters. It is whether he has one or not.
In Canada, religion plays only when a candidate is deemed to have too much of it, as in the attack on Stockwell Day's (once a leader of one of Canada's political parties) fundamentalish beliefs in the 2000 Canadian election. In the US, you can never have too much religion.
The war record. As we have seen, it is far too much of an issue in the US, whether it is John Kerry's Vietnam record, or whatever it was that Bush didn't do in the National Guard. There's a logical reason for that: We (Canadians) don't fight in as many wars as the Americans do, and fewer of us do military service. It's been a long time since any party leader here had a war record to discuss.
And discussion hardly matters anyway. Even when Pierre Elliot Trudeau was revealed to have been clowning around Montreal in an old German helmet during the Second World War, it didn't do him any political harm.
Patriotism. The patriotism of Canadian politicians is rarely called into question. That again may be due to an absence of war (in Canada's case). But it may also have to do with a different sense of how patriotism operates. This is a country (Canada) where the school system seems to operate fine without anybody pledging allegiance to the flag. (US)
Lawyers. Another difference is the role of lawyers and the courts in deciding elections. There isn't one here. (in Canada) In the US, it may the only growth industry in the country.
Televised debates. In the US, two candidates talk sequentially. In Canada, four candidates talk simultaneously. The American system is far easier on the ears and makes the brain hurt less. However, the Americans lag in failing to implement televised debates in a second language, which allows candidates to interrupt by saying things they don't even understand.
Third-party spending. In Canada, there are restrictions on this practice. Lacking such restrictions, the Americans have invented a new political art form-the attack documentary, of which several have sprung up this electoral season, each purporting to reveal the complete perfidy of the other candidate.
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