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how much freedom of dress do you have?
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erracht



Joined: 13 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:00 pm    Post subject: how much freedom of dress do you have? Reply with quote

I am interested in how much freedom you have in your school as to choice of dress. Where do you work and do school rules require you to dress a certain way?

I work for three schools in Prague and at all of them, I can dress as casually as I want (okay, if I were all filthy or something extreme like that, there might be a problem). Female teachers tend to dress a bit better than male teachers, but generally, casuals - including worn jeans - are not a problem and are completely common. The only thing is that in theory a client could request professional attire (probably at all three schools) and because I simply refuse to dress up even a little, I have an agreement with one of the bosses that I will only be given classes where this is a non-issue.

Is it that way where you work too or not (my question is not whether you personally choose to dress up but how much freedom of choice you have).
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am at a university in Japan and have a fair amount of freedom where I work. I was never given a list of what I can or can't wear, more a matter of professionalism. I see how others dress and dress accordingly. Most of the Japanese profs were suits, but most are quite old and probably wear a suit everywhere. Some of the younger ones are pretty casual.

I never wear jeans or running shoes, usually I wear docker pants or casual dress pants, buttoned shirt (no tie) and comfortable dress shoes. I go for comfort and professional when I teach. I probably could get away with more, but I'd lose respect of my students and colleagues. I'm happy not to wear a tie.
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leeroy



Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally, the men at our school dress a little more formally than the women - but that's because we have to.

Men aren't allowed

Trainers (sandals, etc...)
Jeans
T-shirts
Shorts.

The girls can wear pretty much whatever they want though. Not fair! Smile
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lajzar



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
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Location: Saitama-ken, Japan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work at a private secondary school in Japan.

Men must wear a suit, white shirt, black shoes, "business-like" tie. Underwear is left to our own discretion. Women seem to be allowed a bit more discretion, but still it must be business-like.
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guest of Japan



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also teach in a secondary school in Japan. I wear a suit. My shirt color is up to me. Although I wear dress shoes to school, I change into sneakers inside. It looks silly, but it's the norm and it's more comfortable. In the summer, I don't wear a jacket. I could get away with being a little more casual, but schools in Japan are pretty conservative and I'd rather not push the envelope.
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Ailian



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

leeroy wrote:
The girls can wear pretty much whatever they want though. Not fair! Smile

Even high boots and short skirts? If so, could I work there? Wink
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dyak



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There can't possibly be a dress-code here, in fact, I often wonder how far it could be pushed before someone says something. We have everything from suits to the slept-and-prepared-lesson-on-park-bench variety. Endless facial hair experiments (thankfully just the men). The 'going clubbing' look. The 'just been clubbing' look... but variety is the spice of life, no?
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china_sk8er



Joined: 30 Oct 2004
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Location: Harbin

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even high boots and short skirts?


There was a headmaster at a kindergarten in Xiamen who wore really short skirts and really high boots. Back home we would call them f*** me boots. Like something you would see a go-go girl or a prostitute wear.

I worked in a few kindergartens in Xiamen, China and I could wear anything I wanted to. I wore shorts, sandals, t-shirts, and tank tops. I have tattoos on my arms and you can see them if I wear a tanktop, but the schools didn't mind. Actually, they were all really interested in them. I didn't really care either because in Xiamen it gets really hot about half of the year and there is no way someone is going to tell me to wear a suit and tie when it's 40 degrees outside and it feels like it's over 50 degrees in the classroom.

I'm now in a Middle School and I can still wear whatever I want. I asked my boss what I could wear and he said, "Anything, as long as you aren't naked." So I guess I have been pretty fortunate to find schools that don't require a certain dress code.

I actually told my boss, "Would a nice leopard thong be O.K.?" He just laughed and said, "Only if you're teaching them swimming."

Cheers
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nolefan



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am working at a Teacher's College and the dress code is very casual. I can usually dress up whichever way suits me and no one has commented on it.

They kind see me as the excentric Laowai (earings and eyebrow piercing) but I go out of my way to look presentable. The only thing I'd never do is show up to class wearing shorts or a tank top. I usually avoid wearing my nice shirts just because chalk get all over the darn things and that pisses me off.
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Ben Round de Bloc



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the only rules where I teach are that men can't wear shorts and sleeveless shirts. Tee-shirts and jeans are acceptable and common. It's rare to see a teacher wear a tie, and I've never seen anyone show up for work in a suit or sports jacket. All styles of men's shoes are acceptable except for sandals of a style that don't cover most of one's feet. Sandals of all styles are common footwear for women teachers, however, and dress rules for women teachers are much more flexible than for men teachers. These same rules apply to students as well, although some male students do wear shorts, sleeveless shirts, and flip-flops to their English classes, because English classes aren't part of their regular academic-schedule block of classes.
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British



Joined: 30 Oct 2004
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Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no rules here in China were I work thats good for me, I don't think they care what a foreign teacher wears as long as its not shorts.

Yes it me again. Very Happy
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mandu



Joined: 29 Jul 2004
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Location: china

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wear what i like to
shorts,kiss t-shirts rolling stones t-shirts chuck taylors

as long as im on time to class it doesnt matter even a 3 day growth is ok
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merlin



Joined: 10 May 2004
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Location: Somewhere between Camelot and NeverNeverLand

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There was a headmaster at a kindergarten in Xiamen who wore really short skirts and really high boots.

Surely you meant headmistress? If not - UUUUGGHHHH!

Seriously, though.
I can wear basically what I want in the short-term but if I "dress down" it has a negative effect on clients with the result of less income over the long term. Although more important than what I wear is how I wear it. If I wear an armani suit with a stain on it it would have a worse effect than a clean and pressed but cheap dress shirt. The way things are going I'll inevitabley have to wear a monkey suit every day, but for now I wear clean dress trousers, black polished shoes or boots, pressed long-sleeve dress shirt and some sort of sweater.

Yes, it's hypocritical to judge a man by his clothes but I consider it a minor inconvenience to avoid problems associated with a negative first impression.
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't seem that many of the Chinese posters here have much of a dress code. T-shirts, shorts and sandals?
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valley_girl



Joined: 22 Sep 2004
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Location: Somewhere in Canada

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Friday is a casual day but I don't teach on Fridays. That's an office day. On teaching days, I dress professionally - blouse or nice sweater, skirt or dress pants, nice shoes. I feel more like a professional when I dress like one. It also sets me apart from my students, who are mostly in the 18-22 range and who wear mostly jeans and sweats to class.
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