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Japanese University's view on distance M.A's
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ajarn



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:38 am    Post subject: Japanese University's view on distance M.A's Reply with quote

I am contemplating a M.A in TESOL or Applied Linguistics via distance education. I am concerned as to how such degrees are perceived by Japanese Unversities when hiring? Is an M.A via distance education viewed as inferior to one studied full-time? Are Japanese Universities likely to toss a resume aside on that basis or is it not as important as relevant teaching experience and publications?

Any comments are appreciated, especially by those currently working in Japanese Universities.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:53 am    Post subject: Re: Japanese University's view on distance M.A's Reply with quote

ajarn wrote:
I am contemplating a M.A in TESOL or Applied Linguistics via distance education. I am concerned as to how such degrees are perceived by Japanese Unversities when hiring? Is an M.A via distance education viewed as inferior to one studied full-time? Are Japanese Universities likely to toss a resume aside on that basis or is it not as important as relevant teaching experience and publications?

Any comments are appreciated, especially by those currently working in Japanese Universities.


Distance degrees are accepted by Japanese universities as long as they come from accreditted overseas institutions and are not 'diploma mills',

I am currently at a Japanese university and doing a distance degree and Gordon is also doing a distance degree with a university in Australia.

You need the Masters degree anyway if you want a shot at full time jobs, and for some people its not possible to quit a job for three years to study full time at an overseas campus, especially when you have a family here.

Lastly, a Masters degree done by distance does not say it was done that way on the diploma, and the university has no way of knowing it was distance, except looking at the time line on your CV. A degree done part time is just as good as one done full time. All that happens is that it takes longer but you still get the same degree in the end.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aside from some of my caustic remarks here, I would like to focus on the positive and perhaps ominous side of being a recipient of dozens of resumes. Specifically, while there were a considerable number of CVs that did not make the grade, an even greater number of good quality applications were received. Rather frighteningly, several of these were excellent. An increasing number of applicants either have attained or will soon achieve doctoral qualifications. Based on the candidates' timelines in their resumes, it appeared that most had achieved these degrees by distance while working full-time. In addition, whereas a few years ago, most of the well-qualified applicants had few, if any publications, this recruitment exercise revealed that many now have publications, some of which are refereed, and these are coming from younger candidates as well. Indeed, the successful candidate in the present recruitment has both a doctorate and internationally refereed papers.


My overwhelming impressions upon completing the selection of a new candidate are not focused on the image problem that teaching English in Japanese universities seems to have. Rather, my sentiments are directed towards the rapidly increasing competitiveness of securing an English teaching job at a Japanese university, as well as the shift towards requiring doctoral-level qualifications in alignment with universities in Western countries. With many of these schools swelling their graduate school enrolments, the direction of recruitment appears clear: successful candidates will be increasingly drawn from a pool of applicants holding doctoral qualifications with refereed publications.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never seen an ad for a Japanese uni where they say "no distance degrees". As Paul also stated, most distance degrees don't say DISTANCE on it. Heck, I could be doing mine during some of my 4.5 months off/year holidays.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my Masters at the branch campus of an American university which is not even recognised as a fully fledged university in Japan (Temple University which is based in Philadelphia) and my degree was accepted by my employer, a national university. The job application went all the way up to the Monbusho. If I can get my American-degree-done-in-Japan accepted by the Japanese government, getting a distance degree from an offshore university is the least of your worries. The degree will simply say Masters degree, Nottingham/Birmingham/MacQuarie University. No questions asked.
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zoubaidah



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One application form for a university position (I think it was one you sent me, Paul) had a question asking how the degrees were obtained - including online or distance. So for whatever reason, the question is being asked.
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bearcat



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only country I know that will not accept degrees earned at a distance in EFL/ESL is Saudia Arabia.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zoubaidah wrote:
One application form for a university position (I think it was one you sent me, Paul) had a question asking how the degrees were obtained - including online or distance. So for whatever reason, the question is being asked.



Fair enough. Doesnt make a degree from a recognised accreditted university any less of a degree than one if you spent the whole time on campus. In my case i have to write a long thesis, do a residency at the home campus in the UK as well as keep in touch with my supervisor by email and keep up to date with reading and coursework

I know at least 3 people in Japan who have completed PhDs by distance and are working in full time university positions, some as full professors.

Anyway, my present feeling is that if a university is going to turf you out on the street in two years anyway because of term contracts, Im not going to worry about a school I will be at shorter than it takes me to complete my degree. They can make you jump through their hoops and have all the pieces of paper from the right (non-distance) schools, but in the final analysis you are just the hired help. Im going to do the degree whether they think the degree is worth anything or not. Im not doing it for them.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bearcat wrote:
The only country I know that will not accept degrees earned at a distance in EFL/ESL is Saudia Arabia.


Taiwan also does not accept distance degrees.
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zoubaidah



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you Paul, and if I was an employer I'd have more faith in a distance degree from Massey, Monash or Birmingham than from some of the campus based degrees I know of.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zoubaidah wrote:
I agree with you Paul, and if I was an employer I'd have more faith in a distance degree from Massey, Monash or Birmingham than from some of the campus based degrees I know of.



I did post this before, but here is a list of places that offer unaccreditted degrees. My advice would be to give these places a wide berth if you come across them.

http://www.littlespeck.com/content/education/CTrendsEdu-031020wannabe.htm

I am studying at Birmingham myself, by the way.
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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldn't that be studying "with" Birmingham Paul? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidjameson wrote:
Shouldn't that be studying "with" Birmingham Paul? Very Happy


Depends on which rules of speaking he is using and as well whether he's refering to place or program or entity.

Long live the living language. Razz
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidjameson wrote:
Shouldn't that be studying "with" Birmingham Paul? Very Happy


Im physically in Japan, but enrolled in their degree program and paying fees as a registered student. Not physically on campus but it means the same thing.

Anyway, I will likely be at the main campus in the very near future so I can sincerely say I am 'in' Birmingham 'at the actual university.

PS Do you say on the weekend or at the weekend?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if you are American, but don't you say:

"He's a student at Harvard, not a student with Harvard?

What might the difference be, I wonder?
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