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Nauczyciel



Joined: 17 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peaches En Regalia,

I am very sorry to hear about your bad experiences in China. It is a pity they lost their chance to win your respect. I hope you are in a place where you are appreciated the way you deserve. If there is such a place.
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ShapeSphere



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nauczyciel,

Your response to Peaches was what it deserved. I never knew the Polish could be so sarcastic!

Very Happy
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Ben Round de Bloc



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Celeste"]
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As a native speaker, I find that my pronunciation does not deteriorate, but I find that my sense of "correct" expressions starts to fade away after a long time teaching elementary school English.


I don't believe my pronunciation has deteriorated, but the way I speak has changed. When I'm back home for my 2-week annual visit every August, I no longer sound like a regional native speaker to the people who live there unless I make an effort to speak the way they do.

Like Celeste, my sense of "correct" expressions has been altered. Not only do I find that some non-standard expressions now sound correct (or at least questionably correct,) I sometimes use them. I teach various levels, so I don't think it's limited to teaching elementary school English. My native-English-speaking co-workers do the same thing. We catch ourselves saying things like, "My students are going to present an exam tomorrow," and, "Has Teacher Hannah arrived yet?" My co-workers and I have one thing in common with our students -- we seldom have an opportunity to practice speaking English when we're not at school.
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Chris_Crossley



Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 8:13 am    Post subject: Teacher or Mr.? Reply with quote

Ben Round de Bloc wrote:
"Has Teacher Hannah arrived yet?"


Using the word, "teacher", as a substitute title for "Mr.", "Mrs.", "Miss" or even "Ms." is not unusual in many countries, including in China, where I have taught for nearly three years. Hence, I can be referred to by my teaching assistant to my classes as Kelisuduofu laoshi ("Teacher Christopher" - the title comes after, not before, the name in Chinese), even though my students address me directly by my long or shortened name, as I much prefer informality to formality.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Teacher or Mr.? Reply with quote

Chris_Crossley wrote:
Using the word, "teacher", as a substitute title for "Mr.", "Mrs.", "Miss" or even "Ms." is not unusual in many countries, including in China, where I have taught for nearly three years.


In many languages such is the case. However, it is not considered standard English usage by native English speakers as far a I know.
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Chris_Crossley



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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Teacher or Mr.? Reply with quote

Ben Round de Bloc wrote:
Chris_Crossley wrote:
Using the word, "teacher", as a substitute title for "Mr.", "Mrs.", "Miss" or even "Ms." is not unusual in many countries, including in China, where I have taught for nearly three years.


In many languages such is the case. However, it is not considered standard English usage by native English speakers as far [as] I know.


Maybe not in the mainstream, but perhaps there might be special schools for children around the world where English is the first language and the term, "teacher", plus the surname, may be used as a respectful form of address. Schools run along religious lines, including those funded by churches, may come under this category. However, I myself went to a secondary school where the only accepted form of address to a male teacher was "sir". (There were no female teachers at all when I was a student there for seven years.) Perhaps someone has had direct experience of such a set-up.
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hamel



Joined: 03 May 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the original poster from the Netherlands: i have read that only people from certain countries can legally work in korea. well, regardless of what these twenty-something experts say, i know of people who have citizenship from non-english speaking countries who have been here teaching legally for years.

korea is always in need of kind and somewhat normal teachers. and although it is somewhat isolated here, it can be a very good place to teach esl. good luck.
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