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PSB Changes to Visas and Resident Permits from 22nd Nov '04

 
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burnsie



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:42 am    Post subject: PSB Changes to Visas and Resident Permits from 22nd Nov '04 Reply with quote

My friend who runs a visa agency has given me this message which will change a few things for foreigners applying for visas and resident permits.

As of November 22, 2004, new policies on visas, residence permits will be launched by Beijing Public Security Bureau. Key changes listed as follows:

� Tourist ( L ) visas can not be changed into business ( F ) visas.
� Getting " L "visas or " F " visas in Beijing, applicants need to provide " Residence Registration Certificate".
� Residence permits will be presented as a new form which is pasted in passports.
� Residence permits will also function as the permit of (multiple) entering into China. Holders of residence permits do not need to apply for visas any more within the validity period of the residence permit.
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struelle



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: PSB Changes to Visas and Resident Permits from 22nd Nov Reply with quote

Big whoopee ding, the visa regulations have been in a constant state of flux since who knows when, so these so-called 'changes' are not really changes at all.

Steve
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2 up Lee



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad day at the office, Strulle? Shocked

Surely no reason to flame Burnsie........? Confused

It is, after all, vital information to many - surely the very purpose of this forum.......? Surprised
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Susie



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gawd, do they have to stick things and put entry/exit stamps in you passport. My passport pages keep filling up with such things and it is neither easy nor cheap to get another passport with more pages in it. In fact it is very expensive to keep having to buy exchange passports and you have to get someone of certain professions to sign the from and attest that they know you personally.
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kev7161



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Residence permits will also function as the permit of (multiple) entering into China. Holders of residence permits do not need to apply for visas any more within the validity period of the residence permit.


So, to clarify, if I already have a residence permit here in China and I want to go OUTSIDE of China for a holiday (I'm planning Thailand in February), I don't need to get a re-entry visa? I simply show my residence permit and I sail right through?

My current visa stamped in my passport has long since expired, so this would prove to be good news indeed. Or, do I need to already have a multi-entry visa (non-expired) in order for my residence permit to work in this way?

Or, is this clause only good for those getting visas/permits as of 11/22?

My head hurts.
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struelle



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:23 am    Post subject: Re: PSB Changes to Visas and Resident Permits from 22nd Nov Reply with quote

Oh no, not a flame on burnsie. I'm just sick and tired of all the surface-level changes that the government makes with their visa regulations, that's all. After years of seeing yet another change, I feel frustrated that the entry-exit bureau can't adopt any sort of standardization.

Steve
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, i want to know the same thing as kev. somebody, help!?
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ymmv



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a BEIJING PSB regulation - a local thing only.

For now.

Beijing's been talking about implementing this scheme locally since last April.

But "as we know", things tend to filter down from Beijing to the provinces eventually. For now, it's THEIR PSB's new local regulation. If you're outside Beijing, it doesn't affect you...not yet anyway.
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burnsie



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kev7161 wrote:
So, to clarify, if I already have a residence permit here in China and I want to go OUTSIDE of China for a holiday (I'm planning Thailand in February), I don't need to get a re-entry visa? I simply show my residence permit and I sail right through?

My current visa stamped in my passport has long since expired, so this would prove to be good news indeed. Or, do I need to already have a multi-entry visa (non-expired) in order for my residence permit to work in this way?

Or, is this clause only good for those getting visas/permits as of 11/22?

My head hurts.


Sorry I don't mean to hurt your head but it's only for NEW visas after the 22nd. As you have all your visas worked out you don't need to reapply for them until your complete visa expires.


Even though these new regulations are coming into effect there will always be exceptions to the rule to favour the location requirements. Bloody grey areas again hey Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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mike w



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll believe it when I have evidence that it is actually happening. Somehow I don't think it will happen. It makes common sense to not need a re-entry visa if you are returning before your residence permit expires. That's why I don't think it will happen - it is too logical. And think of all the money the government will lose by not issuing visas.

Mind you, before it happens, someone will need to tell the PSB in Beijing, and the Border control people at the airport.
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tarzaninchina



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:44 am    Post subject: Maybe Old News Reply with quote

Interesting to see, will keep tabs on that.

I know that Beijing has passed a national law concerning sick days, although I'm not sure how long ago that was. Originally, if you were sick for more than 30 consecutive days (during which time you'd still be paid 100% of your salary), your employer had the choice of firing you or only paying 70% of your salary until normal work could be resumed. Now, it's law that once you've passed 30 straight days, you're gone. Automatic firing, but I'm not sure about deportation. Anybody Question
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