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CELTA versus MA
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Rice Paddy Daddy



Joined: 11 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teacher in Rome wrote:
My Delta was part-time and took 9 months. Is this comparable to the average length of study for an MA?


USQ takes 9 months. I have several friends who started USQ full-time and on-campus back in March and finished the program at the beginning of November.

9 months for an M.A. Shocked

This is exactly why some people refer to schools that offer such degrees as "Degree Mills." Australian universities have greatly devalued the M.A. in recent years and are giving M.A. degrees out like candy.


Teacher in Rome wrote:
The Delta had both practical and theoretical components, and as I learnt so much of use from it, I have never really considered also studying for an MA. Am I making a grave mistake here?


M.A. programs in Australia involve no practical / supervised teacher training, oddly enough.

In fact, I didn't have to do even 1 observed lesson to get my M.A. in Applied Linguistics. We DID NOT teach one lesson - Amazing, isn't it.

That's how practical the M.A. Applied Linguistics programs are - LOL!
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sojourner



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could be wrong, but I don't think that USQ's Master's degree in Applied Linguistics was ever intended to be a teacher training qualification. That could be the reason why you were not required to give any observed-lessons. Most such programmes appear to emphasise "theory". People who want something more directly relevant, or "practical", for the classroom situation should, instead, enrol in a M.Ed. or MTESOL programme. If they already possess a Master's in Applied Linguistics, they may wish to consider enrolling in a short-term "practical" course, such as CELTA - or, better still, DELTA - in order to "top up" their theoretical knowledge.

Peter
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Rice Paddy Daddy



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.A. TESOL / APPLIED Linguistics

All the same.

In fact, one girl I know got a M.A. Education degree with a focus in TESOL at USQ by taking 1 required course for the degree.

Pretty much all the same.

Agree with the CELTA / DELTA comments.

Without a doubt, CELTA was the course that made me a better classroom teacher.

However, while my M.A. didn't really help me with teaching techniques or classroom methodology, it got me my job.

It's a bit bizarre as the Ph.D holders and M.A. holders are not really great classroom EFL teachers, for the most part, while the CELTA / DELTA holders are really good teachers.

It seems the higher your degree the worse your teaching is.
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