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vagabon'sean
Joined: 05 Oct 2004
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Location: Mississauga, Ont, CA
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 Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:50 pm Post subject: Recruitors... what documents are safe to send? |
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I was just wondering what documents are reasonable for a recruitor to ask you to curior to them? I would also appreciate any recomendations for reputable recruitors from the Toronto CA area if anyone knows of any.
Thanks a tonne!
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Gordon
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Where do you want to teach and why do you feel you need a recruiter? It is so easy to get a job teaching overseas if you have a degree. Be careful of recruiters, yes, some are good, but many aren't. |
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vagabon'sean
Joined: 05 Oct 2004
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Location: Mississauga, Ont, CA
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| I was interested in going through a recruitor because i was under the impression that they were a good route to take to get airfare paid for. Is it just as easy to try to arrange that yourself? Can I get a job secured overseas (somewhere like taiwan) from home by myself? |
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Gordon
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| vagabon'sean wrote: |
| I was interested in going through a recruitor because i was under the impression that they were a good route to take to get airfare paid for. Is it just as easy to try to arrange that yourself? Can I get a job secured overseas (somewhere like taiwan) from home by myself? |
Yes it is easy to find a job yourself. Look at the job postings and if there is one you are interested in, apply. You can ask questions about the school on the Taiwan forum and anything else about working/living there. If Japan, ask at the Japan forum. Try to ask specific questions and be detailed about yourself and we can help you more easily.
If a recruiter offers free flights than it is only because the school is giving it to them. The schools are paying extra to the recruiters, recruiters are not doing it out of the kindness of their heart. The recruiter is a middle man and if you avoid them, than you may actually make more money. The recruiter is working or attached to the school and does not work for you. They are getting paid by the school and are more concerned about keeping the school happy than you happy. |
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nolefan
Joined: 14 Jan 2004
Posts: 1458
Location: on the run
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| Do not send your original documents no matter what any recruiter tells you anywhere in the world. Scanned copies or photocopies are more than enough. If they insist on the documents for whatever reason, then you should send them a notarized copy. |
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badtyndale
Joined: 23 Jun 2004
Posts: 181
Location: In the tool shed
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| It should go without saying that sending originals is a bad idea. I'd suggest waiting until you have some definite contact before sending copies. An efficient employer or reputable (?) recruiter should be satisfied with an application/CV to assess a candidate's suitability for a post. Many recruiters, I have to say, don't actually have specific jobs on their books - so be wary. Also, never send an 'application fee'. |
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Dan_R
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Posts: 12
Location: North Carolina, USA
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Im pretty new to this forum (a long-time reader, first-time poster). Anyway, how long does it usually take the recruiters to get back to you? I sent resumes and photos to several in Korea last week and they havent gotten back to me yet. I have a bachelor's degree in accounting and several years experience in the exciting accounting profession, but no TEFL. Do you think I should assume they arent interested if they havent replied quickly? Or just give it more time? Or maybe take the more aggressive route and call them? Otherwise, plan B is go go out and get a TEFL. Plan C is to stay here and look for another accounting job. |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 1797
Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:06 am Post subject: Recruiters are not necessarily the best people |
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| Plan C is to stay here and look for another accounting job. |
Dan_R, don't be put off if recruiters don't get back to you that quickly. The reasons may vary, but remember that there are plenty of people like yourself who want to go into teaching EFL and are unsure as to how to go about getting a teaching job. Many people believe that going through agents is best for a newbie because they (mistakenly) believe that, without experience, schools would "automatically" reject their applications out of hand.
I myself have never gone through an agency at all. Right from the word, "go", I have approached schools individually, including those which are franchised operations which may have some central HQ in a place other than where you might like to work. There are plenty of schools around, so you are spoiled for choice.
Also, bear in mind that recruiters are there to make money, just like any other business and you may have to pay a fee to them; or, if not, you may have part of your future salary deducted and the difference paid to you, while the deducted part goes to the recruiter. By doing all the work yourself, even if electronically, you'd be in no small measure making sure that you save money.
More importantly, however, you would not be tearing the proverbial hairs out and worrying constantly about whether or not the recruiter is doing his or her very best for you. It is, I believe, better to be dependent only on yourself and not on other people when applying for jobs.
If you are really set on "going out to see the world" (as they used to say in the [British] army of old!), then I would hold back on Plan C, if I were you. There are plenty of TEFL opportunities out there, so go out and find them!
Good luck. |
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justforkiks21
Joined: 24 Nov 2004
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Location: New York
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:30 pm Post subject: what about programs that do not work for the school? |
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| I am hesitant to just go to a country and find a job. My spanish is not very good and I don't know if I could find my way around in a foreign country and foreign language without help. I have been trying to find programs that will help me. One is language corps. I want to go to Costa Rica and their program sounds amazing but noone has really heard of them because they just started last year. Any suggestions? |
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Sekhmet
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
Posts: 329
Location: Alexandria, Egypt
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Dan_R, my advice would be to get the TEFL. Not only does it help you in the long-run with teaching ideas, but also if you pick a good course you will get help with the job search. Plus, you say you have no experience with TEFL. How do you know it's right for you? Do a course, and then you'll find out!!
Also, the job search pages both here and on other sites are really helpful (and normally quite easy to use), but try avoid the recruiters if you can!!! |
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justforkiks21
Joined: 24 Nov 2004
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Location: New York
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:24 pm Post subject: what do you mean by recruiters? |
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| When you say recruiters what exactly do you mean. I found a program that says they do not work for any schools they just help you with the whole process ie. visas contracts etc. Do you have any knowledge of these types of programs. The one I am looking at is in Costa Rica through Languagecorps. |
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