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Reesy



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nagoya Guy makes a good point. The JET Programme was not begun as a teaching program at all. In fact, the real motivation for the program comes from Japan's huge trade surpluses in the 1980's.

Japan was increasingly being viewed by the outside world (especially the U.S.) as an economic parasite, eating up foreign assets and exporting goods to all corners of the Earth while at the same time adopting protectionist domestic policies. The JET Programme was meant to "humanize" this Western view of Japan. Kuniyuki Nose, The Minister of Home Affairs when the JET Programme was conceived in 1986 put it this way:

"The purpose of the JET Programme was never focused on the revolution of English education or changing Japanese society. Frankly speaking, during the year of the trade conflict between Japan and the US... what I was thinking about was how to deal with the demands of the US that we buy more things such as computers and cars. I realized the trade friction was not going to be solved by manipulating material things, and, besides, I wanted to demonstrate the fact that not all Japanese are economic animals who gobble up real estate. I thought that seeing how Japanese live and think in all their variety, seeing Japan the way it really is, would improve the communication between younger generations in Japan and America."

Another bureaucrat at the time (Inoguchi) said: "It (JET) was generated by pressure from the outside and carried the goal of demonstrating Japan's commonality with other countries in order to protect... Japan's vulnerable security system and international economic encirclement."

The improvement of foreign language education was, indeed, more of an afterthought as the official goal of the program as laid out by MOFA in 1986 illustrates: "The Japan Exchange and teaching Programme seeks to promote mutual understanding between Japan and other countries including the U.S., the U.K., Australia, and N.Z. and foster international perspectives in Japan by promoting international exchange at local levels as well as intensifying foreign language education in Japan."

All of this being said, the Curriculum reforms in 1995 and again in 2001 have given the JET Programme a greater role in improving foreign language education. JET has certainly evolved and the increasing attention paid by recruiters to hire people with English language teaching training and experience bodes well.

Nonetheless, until some very large barriers are removed, the JET Programme will never achieve its present objective of "internationalization at the grassroots level (whatever that means???) and improving the communicative ability of Japanese students." These include:

1. The university entrance exam system
2. The textbook selection process
3. The poor pre/in-service training of ALTs. How can teachers be told to teach communicatively and apply CLT methodologies without first ensuring that they have the training to understand and apply these concepts in the classroom?
4. The top-down approach to curriculum renewal
5. The insufficient training of Japanese English teachers
6. The long tradition in Japan of solely using foreign languages for receiving information about the outside world and not using them to transmit Japanese ideas, thoughts and beliefs.
7. Long-held social stigmas attached to those who can use foreign languages communicatively.

Sorry to take the original thread slightly off topic, but I think it was heading this way anyway.

Any thoughts?
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Sez



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mosley wrote:
Again,Sez, you leave gaps in information: what do you mean by "countries other than Japan?". ESL jobs in E. Asia? Professional public school jobs in English-speaking countries? You have to elaborate....
You haven't told us much(or anything) about your background. This is an all too common problem on Dave's. I mean, what are your qualifications, aspirations, etc. ? "I want to teach on JET & then have a great career from there...." Well, what does that TELL anybody??!!



Thank you for your helpful response Mosley, but basically I am at a loss to see how my qualifications and aspirations bear any relevance to people's experiences as Ex-Jets.
My post was non-belligerent and unbiased, hence there is little reason to become so defensive about this.
'Countries other than Japan' means exactly that, I don't feel I need to spell this out any further, unless you feel the need to look at a map of the world.

Conclusively, giving you my background is superfluous information. I wanted a very GENERAL overview of Ex-Jet experiences and the relevance that JET experience bears in persuing teaching jobs after the scheme. I certainly wasn't going to give you my life story in order to obtain this.

Other than this, thank you everyone for your responses so far, it is much appreciated.
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Mosley



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Sez, if you can indicate where I ever asked for your "life story".... I was (and always am) willing to help point a newbie in the right direction based on my experience(for what it's worth), but all too often on Dave's people want some magic formula by throwing out some vague goal and not giving even a modicum of description of their BASIC qualifications and aspirations. How can any potential advice be narrowed down enough to give meaningful help? If you want a "very GENERAL overview" you're going to get one that is so general it won't help you a bit. You chose to sarcastically reply to my post-I suppose that's your privilege, but you ended up biting the hand that potentially could've fed you. Too bad. Anyway, good luck and I hope you get the start you're looking for.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mosley wrote:
Well, Sez, if you can indicate where I ever asked for your "life story".... I was (and always am) willing to help point a newbie in the right direction based on my experience(for what it's worth), but all too often on Dave's people want some magic formula by throwing out some vague goal and not giving even a modicum of description of their BASIC qualifications and aspirations. How can any potential advice be narrowed down enough to give meaningful help? If you want a "very GENERAL overview" you're going to get one that is so general it won't help you a bit. You chose to sarcastically reply to my post-I suppose that's your privilege, but you ended up biting the hand that potentially could've fed you. Too bad. Anyway, good luck and I hope you get the start you're looking for.


Mosley, as you can see, people have provided some very useful and insightful information from such a 'GENERAL' posting.
In all respect, you were defensive from the start, and if I've bitten the hand that could have fed me (i.e yours) then I think I'm better off without it, other's people's constructive views have been much more helpful than your small minded ones.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had ended my last post by being gracious & encouraging-my mistake. I now hope, as the appropriate response, that you experience nothing but a lack of success in the ESL field. I extended the olive branch...you chose to break it over your knee...well, that's your privilege. I still hope you have some kind of "success'', in GENERAL terms. I'd write more, but w/my small mind, you see....
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Sez



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mosley wrote:
I had ended my last post by being gracious & encouraging-my mistake. I now hope, as the appropriate response, that you experience nothing but a lack of success in the ESL field. I extended the olive branch...you chose to break it over your knee...well, that's your privilege. I still hope you have some kind of "success'', in GENERAL terms. I'd write more, but w/my small mind, you see....



Now, that's a shame. That's 'coarse' isn't it? Shame - you really do ruin yourself Mosley.
Brashness aside, many thanks for your kind wishes of my success, I'm sure I'll encounter much success and hopefully end up just like you, my ESL role-model from here on.
HAIL MOSLEY!
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Sunpower



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JET teachers possess far more important and authentic teaching experience than those whose experience amounts to little more than sitting in a room outside a train station all day teaching pre-set one-hour classes out of an ancient, poorly designed textbook.
For someone who's done extensive research on the topic, you've definitely revealed your ignorance of not only the JET program but teaching EFL in Japan in general.
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Reesy



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For someone who's done extensive research on the topic, you've definitely revealed your ignorance of not only the JET program but teaching EFL in Japan in general.


Thanks for your reply Sunpower. My comment was intended to spark off some discussion and controversy. On second reading, however, it probably was a bit too strong and bordering on offensive. My apologies.

However, I was talking about NOVA, hence my "train station" comment and to be honest, I think my description of what happens at that organization is pretty well spot on. But, let's discuss it. I would be even more interested in hearing why you feel my opinion of the JET Programme is so ill-founded.

To be honest, I think that there's not enough real discussion in this forum. Too many people feel that a difference of opinion is akin to a personal attack and too many people get defensive when their opinions are challenged. I do not feel this way. How can any of us learn anything if we're not willing to share our opinions openly and honestly. I think that the frank exchange of opinions will increase everyone's knowledge as long as no one takes things personally and avoids personal attacks.

That being said, I think that NOVA is an atrocious organization that treats its workers and students like dirt. I also believe that JET teachers are more involved in what might be termed "education" than NOVA (and a few of the other major chain schools) teachers. If you disagree, please tell me your opinion.

Thanks.
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 1:37 am    Post subject: Re: JET Reply with quote

Nagoyaguy wrote:


Ever wonder why JET teachers never receive any teacher training? No follow up training? No curriculum support? No lesson planning hints? Why is JET not run directly by Mombusho?

IMHO, the programme is not about education or teaching or language. It is about public relations.

This also explains the time limit on JET of 3 years.




Some of the people posting in this thread have some very strange (or just plain outdated) ideas about JET!

I'd agree that the nominal function of JET was PR. But that has been changing over the last few years. JET has been moving towards taking more and more qualified teachers and older people.

Coupled with that has been the move to permit people to stay beyond three years, the general increase in the quality of training and the increases or improvements in all the areas mentioned above as not existing/happening.

Is it perfect? No. Obviously not. Is it improving? Yes, in most places. The reasons why and how it could be better are as variable as the number of contracting organisations that go into making up the JET Programme, which was *over 1500* at last count.


As to why JET isn't run by Monbugakusho directly, the writer above seriously needs to have a look at how and why the programme came into existence and what it actually encompasses.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

read the book called
Importing Diversity. I found it at Kinokuniya.
It was kind of pricey (3700 yen) but it was a good intro to what JET is about. I thought the writer was kind of critical of some JET participants (although some acted badly), but overall I thought it was worth reading.

Brooks
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sez: Y-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-W-N....
Reesy: NOVA treats the WORKERS(Western teachers & Japanese staff) like dirt but the students are catered to to the point of servility.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mosley wrote:
Sez: Y-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-W-N....


Mosley, you're obviously sat at the computer with your trousers around your ankles replying to my posts...bet this is the biggest hard on you've had since you were in highschool!

HA HA!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sez: I can't compete with your Wildean wit. Not to mention your flawless command of the the English language:"Mosley, you're(sic) obviously sat at the computer with your trousers around your ankles...." Sorry to disappoint you(maybe YOU'RE salivating around the computer) but as "yawn" means, well, sleepiness, then sexual excitement doesn't quite enter into the equation. I guess, sez, that "equation" should send you into a frenzy: a dictionary will be sought out in a panic. Sure, I've sat at a computer with my "trousers around your(sic) ankles...." HA,HA. Yep, sez, when it comes to pure eroticism, nothing like the witty "biggest hard on " bit. Why, bring on Shannon Tweed onto the ESL scene. I'd like to do a battle of wits w/you, sez, but I've always held that I should never do such a battle w/an unarmed opponent.

MODERATORS: Are you following this thread??!!
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mosley, your biggest battle is not with me but with trying not to 'send your seed' over your keyboard whilst trying to write that last reply. Bravo!
Furthermore Mosley, take your hard-on, take your olive branch, take your insignificant little career, and find a real job rather than waiting for me to post another thread so you can jump on it like a dog on heat.
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Reesy



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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off, this thread is getting a bit weird between Sez and Mosley. Can't you just kiss and make up fellas? Such a gesture might lead you to more deeply explore your feelings for one another thereby putting an end to your mutual accusations of the other needing self gratification to relieve pent up sexual frustration.

Anyway, let it go lads....

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read the book called
Importing Diversity. I found it at Kinokuniya.


I wholeheartedly agree with Brooks. The author, David McConnell spent three years in Japan being paid to do research on the JET Programme. Nobody knows more about JET than him and a couple of my quotes in a previous post on this thread came from his book. Here's the full reference along with another earlier paper he wrote which you can get from any number of academic/education databases:

McConnell, D. (2000). Importing Diversity: Inside Japan's JET Program. Berkeley: University of California Press.

McConnell, D. (1996). Education for global integration in Japan: a case study of the JET program. Human Organization 55, 4: 446-457.

If you want to know the history of the JET Programme, read it.

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Reesy: NOVA treats the WORKERS(Western teachers & Japanese staff) like dirt but the students are catered to to the point of servility.


I'm not so sure Mosley. If this is true, then how do you explain this recent news story:

"Major English language school Nova has been sued by a former student for the return of unused tuition fees, according to a Kyodo story. Under the school's points system, the 37-year old man from Shiga Prefecture paid �820,000 for textbooks and 600 points for lessons in March 2000. Over the course of two years, he used only 54 points worth �68,000 before ending his contract. Nova claimed that most of the man's unused points had expired under its contract and returned about �45,000. In his lawsuit, filed at the Kyoto Summary Court, the plaintiff says that Nova's tuition repayment system is violating the law and called for the return of �700,000 of the unused tuition fees. "Nova is allowed to keep only �130,000 in this case if it followed the law governing commercial contracts," he said."

I would hazard to guess that if this lawsuit is successful, there will be thousands more unsatisfied former NOVA customers beating down the door to claim their money as well.

Obviously such behaviour does not constitute "catering to the point of servility." Therefore, I stick by my original point: NOVA treats its students and workers like dirt.

Bye for now.
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