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Gouki



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:23 am    Post subject: Child adoption Reply with quote

There seems to be a lot of abandon kids in Japan for some terrible reasons, anyone tried adopting them?
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bearcat



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its near to impossible.

The kids are abandoned to orphanages yes, but in order for the child to be able to be adopted, the parents(or someone of the family who abandoned them who had responsibility over them, MUST sign a waiver to allow them to be adopted. If this document isn't signed, the children must remain in the system under government supervision until they reach adulthood.

If memory serves, less than 1000 adoptions occur in Japan each year. Some of those adoptions as well are not actually children but adult family name adoptions. Those adoptions involve usually a reason such as inheritance of some money or property.

If a child is able to be adopted, the courts require that the adoptive parents meet all adoption requirements of Japan AND the home country(s) of the parents. Once all such documentation is presented to the courts here and all conditions satisfied then the child can be adopted.

Needless to say, the whole system is geared to NOT encourage adoption. Adoption in Japan has a very dark stigma to it. Since alot of Japanese folks still believe in such strong ties and myths related to one's blood, an adoption to many comes across as fake or pseudo real family stuff. To give you an example of such stupidity, a Japanese actress and her husband went to the US and had a surrogate mother carry their child(her egg was fertilized by his sperm and then placed in a US woman to carry full term). When the child was born, the Japanese Government refused to recognize that the child was the actress's and she and her husband were required to adopt the child and it was placed on their family registery (Koseki) as such as well meaning the child will be looked at in that manner forever by the government.

So if someone is interested in adopting in Japan, all I can say is I wish them good luck.
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homersimpson



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Applies to Americans, especially: http://travel.state.gov/family/adoption_japan.html
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shmooj



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's entirely possible. I myself know of several couples who have managed this. Non-Japanese living in Japan...

Like most things in Japan. You just need gambaru...
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shmooj: Careful about your claim though. I also personally know 2 families (non-Japanese) who live here in Japan and have adopted Japanese children. HOWEVER, they were up for adoption and everything was done through an agency. And yes, it took a LOT of time, patience, gnashing of teeth, and MONEY.

I question whether an abandoned child would fall into that same category or, if like bearcat said, they must remain in the system until adulthood.

JD
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shmooj



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:
shmooj: Careful about your claim though. I also personally know 2 families (non-Japanese) who live here in Japan and have adopted Japanese children. HOWEVER, they were up for adoption and everything was done through an agency. And yes, it took a LOT of time, patience, gnashing of teeth, and MONEY.

I question whether an abandoned child would fall into that same category or, if like bearcat said, they must remain in the system until adulthood.

JD

Why be careful when it's true? It is entirely possible to adopt an abandoned child. You just need to fulfil the criteria, which while complicated, cost about as much in time money and criteria etc as a similar adoption in the UK. Yes there is the legal issue which complicates things in Japan which bearcat mentioned and yes, you do make a point when you say your friends adopted through an agency. However, these are not unassailable barriers to adoption in these cases. For some couples, these barriers are minimal in comparison to biological barriers that are completely insurmountable.

I presume the OP was not just thinking about non-Japanese when they asked if anyone had tried adopting them. I also presume that the OP was not actually interested in doing this themselves because this is the last place you'd look for advice on this emotive issue in Japan.

Perhaps you forget that, for some couples, having a child by any means takes a great deal of "time, patience, gnashing of teeth, and MONEY."
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Far be it for me to downplay the resources required to have and raise a child by any means, but my point was, merely, that a couple would have to have a real heart for an abandoned Japanese child, as there are much easier (and cheaper) ways (and countries) to adopt. I don't discourage anyone from researching it (or even doing it) in Japan of course.... But just know that the beaurocracy and investment placed in such a venture is likely to be more intense than trying to do the same thing elsewhere.

I stand by my original statement to be careful about making claims that adopting abandoned children in Japan is possible, as someone who reads a post that says: "Well yeah, not only is it possible, but I know people who have done it" might misinterpret that as saying "it's easy if you try." I think it paints a much clearer picture if you also try to include some of the issues and associated caveats. You're right -- it's not unassailable, but let's also be clear just HOW difficult it might be.
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shmooj



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:
Far be it for me to downplay the resources required to have and raise a child by any means, but my point was, merely, that a couple would have to have a real heart for an abandoned Japanese child, as there are much easier (and cheaper) ways (and countries) to adopt. I don't discourage anyone from researching it (or even doing it) in Japan of course.... But just know that the beaurocracy and investment placed in such a venture is likely to be more intense than trying to do the same thing elsewhere.

I stand by my original statement to be careful about making claims that adopting abandoned children in Japan is possible, as someone who reads a post that says: "Well yeah, not only is it possible, but I know people who have done it" might misinterpret that as saying "it's easy if you try." I think it paints a much clearer picture if you also try to include some of the issues and associated caveats. You're right -- it's not unassailable, but let's also be clear just HOW difficult it might be.

Fine. We agree. We always did. It is difficult. But interestingly, having just spent this evening talking about this very issue with a close friend, an abandoned child can easier than one that is not provided they are more than a year old. In this case, the city mayor certifies that they are officially abandoned and have no known relatives. This act frees them for adoption. Adoption of a child who has known relatives is the harder option because at any point in the lengthy process of adoption, living relatives can blow the whole thing out of the water. Living with the stress that this might happen is obviously very difficult.

So, to clarify. Adoption is possible in Japan and as difficult as adoption in the UK. Adoption of abandoned children more than a year old is less likely to meet with legal challenges than children who are not abandoned.
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