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moonraven
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Tamara: Freely shared? Forcefully inflicted is closer to the truth.
But I'll bite. I am a Buddhist. I do believe in re-incarnation, and in fact have memories of a number of my past lives. Those memories have been the skeleton of the body of my travels--at least in this lifetime--as well as the seeds for much of my writing--especially what I have written for theater productions.
I also believe in the congruity of paths that a previous poster mentioned. But I also see that there are many folks who haven't found their paths. |
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Paulie2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Is there ANY way possible to edit out other peoples posts? I feel that we are ALL being made fools of here...
Only ONE TRUTH remains...
Ask God to reveal Himself to you...ask Jesus His Son into your heart...be baptised for the remission of sins...repent and be saved from the wrath to come!!
ABC's of faith...Ask, Believe, Confess
So simple, yet... |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:46 pm Post subject: yeesh |
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Speaking of sharing, don't grab too many of those cookies Paulie. They are laced.
oops you downed a bunch |
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Ben Round de Bloc
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Paulie2003 wrote: |
| Is there ANY way possible to edit out other peoples posts? I feel that we are ALL being made fools of here... |
Please speak for yourself, Paulie. Don't take the liberty of speaking for the rest of us, because in case you haven't noticed, some of us may not agree with you. |
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Paulie2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Agree, Tim?...no, I don't see a lot of people agreeing here...perhaps that is part of the larger problem...
"How can two walk together unless they be agreed?"
Proverbs... |
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ls650
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Paulie2003 wrote: |
| Is there ANY way possible to edit out other peoples posts? |
You should be thankful there isn't - because you would be the most heavily-edited of all!  |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:21 pm Post subject: touche |
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| A stinging and pointed slash from the gallery. Iz beautiful work wit zee epee, n'est pas? |
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Tamara
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Alpha and Omega |
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
Well, now we get into my own beliefs and faith, so I won't preach.
I think we enter as equals and leave as equals. As I personally don't believe in an afterlife, nor re-incarnation, I'll put forth that the paths are the same, start and finish, seed to life to death to seed again (perhaps). |
Guy, I'm sorry that this reply seems disjointed, as I took a break to put the little one to nap and the thread moved on without me.
I just wanted to say that it seems to me that the only way to adhere to a belief that all paths are the same is if one doesn't believe in an afterlife. Once a person accepts the belief in an afterlife, one must agree that the various belief systems talking about how to get to that afterlife do not come close to showing the same path. Right?
Also, isn't there a big difference between what we believe to be true and what is actually true? I mean, just because I believe there is an afterlife, it doesn't make it so. And just because you don't believe in an afterlife, it doesn't make it so. One of us is right and one is wrong, right? Or do I get my afterlife because I believe in it and you don't get one because you don't? That doesn't make sense to me, because it seems that if there is an afterlife, then all will experience it. And if there isn't, then none of us will.
So, once again, I just don't understand the "same path" thinking. I don't know how to reconcile the differences in our belief systems to show that we are all walking the same path. But, I'm still asking for you to share, so it's still not preaching! |
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moonraven
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmmm. Not being able to reconcile those differences sounds like fundamentalism to me. And that's the biggest problem in the world today--apart from poverty. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:41 pm Post subject: difficult |
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Too true..
If there is an afterlife, then I believe that all paths are still the same, leading to that afterlife, or death if you prefer. Let's look at it like a crossing. With an afterlife, all paths lead to that crossing. What's beyond that crossing, should we accept that there is one, what is it? Does what you do in this life affect which afterlife you get? Does the 'crossing' differ for different paths to it? Let's say that when we die, we all get to see St. Peter and the Big Book. No matter what path we take in life, we all get to the judgement, so all paths lead to the same place.
What I don't believe in is that there is a judgement after that crossing. I think the crossing is simply conscious organized animation to unconscious scattered disorganization. I guess I'm a true atheist, though I hate labels.
Now truth, there's one thing that humanity has sturggled with for eons. I don't think an ultimate complete truth is knowable to human perception. Never mind ultimate turth, it's hard enough to get two humans to agree on the same shade of color they may both perceive.
I suppose on the afterlife, regardless of what we believe, we'll find out when we get there? |
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moonraven
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| We know one thing: You can't take it with you. So why are so many millions hoarding wealth? |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:48 pm Post subject: pure and simple |
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| Greed, pure and simple. The fear of death makes us do strange things. Some of us decide that that being good in life will bring a happy afterlife. Some believe that you must suffer in this to be happy in the next. Some are so afraid of it that they hoard wealth as if to build a wall between it and them. Yet others accept it and just live the best you can in the short time you have. |
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Paulie2003
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The Bible quotes three sins that apear to encompass all - They are:
The lust of the eye
The lust of the flesh
And the pride of life
Why look elsewhere  |
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Paulie2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Gracious Guy...just what were they 'laced' with...I'm feelin' groovey!!!! |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:59 pm Post subject: three sins or virtues |
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The lust of the eye
The lust of the flesh
And the pride of life |
Unfortunate that these things are often used as scare tactics. Why not free yourself?
Choice is what frees you. The lust of the eye? Why do you think God put eyes in your head? To sense, to see, to choose. The lust of the flesh? We all would have a hard time reproducing without some sense of attraction. C'mon now, even you Christians must have sex sometime, be it in some dark hushed up corner and feeling guilty about it later. The pride of life? This is a little unclear. Better to have a fear of life? Shame? Guilt? |
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