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[ChinaMovieMagic]

http://www.buxiban.com/schoolBLKCN.asp

China School Blacklist
The China School Blacklist and China School Green List have been compiled from the information contained within our extensive database of schools and recruiters. Each institution listed within our database is afforded a rating according to the number and category of verifiable comments made. The rating system is as follows:

The Rating System Used on Our Site
***** Denotes institutions that have a consistent record of positive comments made about them, or are considered otherwise outstanding. These institutions automatically become Green Listed
**** Denotes institutions that have had positive, as well as some rather minor negative reports made about them. These institutions can be considered to offer quite good opportunities.
*** Denotes institutions that have received no positive nor negative comments, or an equal number of positive and negative comments. These institutions are considered to offer reasonable opportunities.
** Denotes institutions that have had more negative than positive comments made about them. These institutions are considered to offer rather poor opportunities, but could still be considered.
* Denotes institutions that have received a significant number of negative reports, or reports of a serious nature made about them. These institutions automatically become Blacklisted.


We are fully aware of the shortfalls of blacklists and therefore the aim of our site is not to encourage teachers to avoid institutions that may be contained on our sites blacklist. Our aim is to enable teachers considering positions with certain institutions to identify problem areas up front so as to avoid encountering problems that others may have encountered in the past. In order for an institution to be placed on our site�s blacklist, it must have received consistent and verifiable complaints, or must have committed a serious and verifiable offence against a foreign employee. Each institution that becomes blacklisted is informed of this fact, and given the opportunity to respond to the comments made. Replies from institutions can be viewed within the blacklist wherever available.

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[Norman Bethune]

So, let me get this straight...

The website blacklists schools.

OK. But how can it be impartial or unbiased if you accept ads and the revenue they generate from schools like Hess and EF?

The website allows teachers to check if they are on a "teacher blacklist".
But the teachers have to give out private information to do the check. You will only confirm if they are on a blacklist.

Anyone can ask if a teacher has been blacklisted.

And you take money for ads from schools that may blacklist teachers.

Can you see where I am going with this...

Very interesting.

MOD EDIT

[ChinaMovieMagic]

NB,

I saw it posted on the Taiwan sister-Forum of eslcafe.
It is Taiwan-based and has many evaluations of Taiwan major schools, with stars*** and quotes from teachers.

I hear you re: the ads. But it's worth a try. In addition to posting on this Forum various warnings/inquiries about schools, we can also send them to Buxiban...and track them.

AND...you might send along your Post ABOVE to the Buxiban folks(w/copy posted HERE), and tell them our active community is awaiting their reponse (to be posted on our Forum) to your concerns.

[SeaLawyer]

*This space is irrationally blank*

[The Great Wall of Whiner]

[krazykarl]

this site is bad, i cant blacklist a school or teacher. I also cant greenlist anything. maybe im just computer illiterate, but is there a way to look at the schools without giving away my info?

[clark.w.griswald]

As an avid user of the buxiban site (I even link to it in my signature below), let me see if I can answer some of the questions posed. I normally haunt the Taiwan forum so apologize for dragging up this now rather dated post, but I find the site very useful and think that some of the comments made are somewhat unwarranted.

[Norman Bethune]

[clark.w.griswald]

The differences between our posts Norman, is that mine are informed while yours are just based upon your own jaded opinion of life and the Chinese people in general.

I don't blame you for this as I know from first hand experience that this is how China affects some people, myself included. Yes that's right, I did spend some years on the mainland so I do actually have a very good idea of how difficult it can be to teach there, so please don't assume that just because I am based in Taiwan now automatically means that I have no idea of what things are like on the mainland.

Assumptions can be dangerous, and I think that you have just proven the limitations of the assumptions that you make. I am equallly sure that your negative assumptions about the buxiban site are also wrong.

Do you have any evidence or facts to back up your suggestions about the site? Or are you just guessing?

Have you actually contacted the buxiban site to confirm your suspicions, or are you just going to tar them with the same feather that I guess you tar any 'organization' in China / Taiwan?

I have not read any of your other posts, but from your involvement in this thread, you seem to be a rather condascending and sour person. I am curious. How long have you been teaching in China and have you ever taught in Taiwan?

Oh and in response to your suggestion that 'I must be on the payroll', remember that I wasn't the one that started this thread. I only became involved after I saw the baseless and incorrect posting that you had made on the subject.

[cj750]

So, are you on the payroll? Is you effort to correct this baseless and incorrect posting modivated by employment or by your need to correct an error.

[clark.w.griswald]

[parvati_overdrive]

I think it's a great idea. While having come to this board some weeks ago, I thought about startinng up a similar enterprise for Korea and China PRC.

It's a great site with some decent code. Need a partner?

[Plan B]

Whether this thread is a promotion of a website or not, the function of the site is hugely important.

Sites such as Dave's ESL and others have a very large influence on a school's recruitment power, even if the schools refuse to recognise it. I would always research a school on the internet before accepting a job there.

As we have little or no legal representation - especially in China - It is our duty, as a teaching community, to police the schools ourselves. If we unite, we have the power to shut these schools out of business once and for all. By acting together, we are not only protecting our dignity, but are, in maybe just a small way, improving our collective futures.

We should support sites like buxiban.com, because we are indirectly supporting ourselves.

[parvati_overdrive]

[Norman Bethune]

Griswald:

We all base our opinions on our experiences. Everyday we make assumptions based upon our knowledge of the world.

If I had to give you or anyone documentation for my opinion on this website, I would spend too much time writing here.

Even when someone posts a well researched rebuttal to erroneous information or a well-thought out argument proving a posters opinion wrong, someone like you will never bend. You are closed minded. The only opinion that matters is yours.

I have researched the Buxiban site you speak of. IT is easy on the web to do so.

Find out who pays for the Damn thing....it is not the impartial helpful place you believe it is. But you know that.


You came here to defend Buxiban. I distrust your credibility because your posts on Dave's are so limited...ususally your posts are designed to push an anti-teacher agenda, pro profit-making school agenda.

You are like the other one hit posters at Dave's...recruiters pretending to be teachers who post how great a school and that other teachers should come work there. They only post when they want to scan someone.