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Twisting in the Wind



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: gyp Reply with quote

thelmadatter wrote:

Question similar to the Spanish use of "negrito"... if I mean no racial slur (hell, if Im not even aware of ANY racial connotation) by the term but others do... does that mean I am racist if I use it? I think not personally.


Interesting question! Some will always take offense no matter what you say and your good or neutral intentions. I got into trouble a lot when I was learning Spanish for saying things that others interpreted from their own particular worldview and experiences. Because, after 5 years of h.s. Spanish, I learned Spanish primarily from Salvadorans and Argentines, I used the voseo a lot (vos) and a lot of what I was just doing was copying colloquilaisms and phrases I had heard, but once I said them to a Mexican and OMG, I caught flak for it. She told me that "vos" is only used by the uneducated classes in Mexico. Well, excuse me, but I never heard it used AT ALL in Mexico, and anyway I wasn't even talking to you, lady. Laughing Some people will always put their own spin on things you say.

No, I wouldn't think you are a true racist if you aren't aware of any racial connotations.. Racism is an attitude of the heart.
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Twisting in the Wind



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe this conversation belongs in the General Latin American forum. We Spanish speakers didn't mean to hijack the thread. Embarassed
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't figure out 'gyp' either until adulthood. Not a very large Gypsy community running around the Ottawa Valley to be sure. I'm sure some Brits could pipe in here on some expressions they have regarding pikers and maybe c*ckney?

I agree on racism being an issue of intent rather than the words uttered. A lot of kids her pick up the word '*beep*' from music from the US. Without the cultural background, the word doesn't mean anything more here than 'guey' does now.

It took me some time to get used to being called 'guero'...randomly and frequently by passing strangers. I took offense at first, but now know it's just a Mexican thing to do.

I asked my wife about the phrase trabajando como un negro para vivir como un blanco She agrees that it's very old in Mexico, referring to slave Moros doing all the physical work for the white Spanish, but she also says it carries no racial meaning now. In fact, she noted it's irony as most Mexicans are now mixed descendants of black, white, and indio.

EDIT: To the Censor. Sorry...not sure what gets a *bleep* and what doesn't. I hope you know this is a fairly academic discussion and not a flame thread.


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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 11:33 am    Post subject: Re: My students are animals! Reply with quote

dyak wrote:
Any other classic tefl moments?


(Trying to get back to the original topic.)

This one has happened to me twice. The second time it didn't go on as long.

Student: Teacher, what does louder mean?

Me: Mas fuerte.

Student: (Raising her voice) What does the word louder mean?

Me: Mas fuerte.

Student: (Shouting) WHAT DOES THE WORD LOUDER MEAN?
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guty



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben,
reminds me of the Autrian F1 driver. Niki...............
Lauda?
NIKI
Lauda?
Niki
etc
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Paul John



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some time ago a colleague of mine came into the teacher's room after his writing class and reported that one of his students defined plagiarism as the act of spreading disease.

You have to give the student an 'A' for effort, I reckon. Very Happy
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somewhere back in the annals of this thread, people were talking about derogatory words for white people. I'm not sure if this qualifies, but here goes:

In northern Saskatchewan, where the native language (of the real native Canadians) is Cree, they say something like "moonias" (moon eee asss)
for a white man, and "soonias" for money.

Not being an expert in the Cree language I can neither confirm nor deny the veracity of the above, it was just told to me by some cree boys I was working with one summmer.

I had heard the 2 words many times and I was curious what they meant, so I asked, "What is soonias?" "Money", they replied. "And what is moonias," I then asked? You!!!!!!!! they replied with uproarious laughter. Rolling Eyes

I am not sure that it is a real Cree word, or perhaps something of a mix with English where I think you can guess what the meaning would be.

So ended my enquiries into the Cree language. Embarassed
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my business students was trying to explain to me about needing a Lawyer of Evil in meetings in order to prevent things from stalling in yes-men. That would be a Devil's Advocate to us folk but in Turkey an avuka is a lawyer and thus, conclusions were logically drawn. I actually quite like the new term and have taken to using it.
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Lynn



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:31 am    Post subject: Re: My students are animals! Reply with quote

dyak wrote:
Not literally, but one of my favourite 'tefl moments' is when students of any age discover that different languages have different animal noises. In a multilingual class this kind of entertainment is priceless.

Any other classic tefl moments?


Other classic tefl/esl moments?
I always like it when we somehow get to the topic of dimples. It's so amazing that dimples are considered undeniably "cute" in all cultures. And students love to point out, "yes, teacher, you...dimple...pretty!" Which brings me to another point. The definition of dimple is defenitely not the same. Here in the states, we consider a dimple a small indentation in the cheek that occurs when smiling. And my dimple is so slight I have never ever recieved a compliment from an American.
However, I have found that in Japan and China the definition is different. They make a face like they just swallowed a lemon and count 4 to 5 so called "dimples". haha! My husband is insists he has 3 dimples. I say he has none.
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Deconstructor



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was on an outing once with my students. It was a beautiful sunny day and the Montreal Jazz Festival was on.

Suddenly one of my students said to me, "F*ckus, teacher, f*ckus. My favourite". Astonished I looked at her. She was pointing to a shiny brand new car on a platform up for lottery. It was a Ford Focus.
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eslHQ



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love these stories!

Just the other day I was coming into a class of 11 year olds to replace the teacher. One of the very sweet, little boys waved to the woman I was replacing and said, "Go to hell, teacher". He had a big smile on his face and he just thought we was being nice.

We took him out in the hall and he ratted out his older brother, saying he learned the word from him. Later that week I had a talk with the older brother when he told one of his classmates to "Go to hell.".
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