Site Search:
 
Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

A Man-Made Tsunami
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
moonraven



Joined: 24 Mar 2004
Posts: 3094

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:27 pm    Post subject: A Man-Made Tsunami Reply with quote

Published on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 by the Guardian/UK
A Man-Made Tsunami
Why are There No Fundraisers for the Iraqi Dead?

by Terry Jones

I am bewildered by the world reaction to the tsunami tragedy. Why are newspapers, television and politicians making such a fuss? Why has the British public forked out more than �100m to help the survivors, and why is Tony Blair now promising "hundreds of millions of pounds"? Why has Australia pledged �435m and Germany �360m? And why has Mr Bush pledged �187m?

Of course it's wonderful to see the human race rallying to the aid of disaster victims, but it's the inconsistency that has me foxed. Nobody is making this sort of fuss about all the people killed in Iraq, and yet it's a human catastrophe of comparable dimensions.

According to the only scientific estimate attempted, Iraqi deaths since the war began number more than 100,000. The tsunami death toll is in the region of 150,000. Yet in the case of Iraq, the media seems reluctant to impress on the public the scale of the carnage.

I haven't seen many TV reporters standing in the ruins of Falluja, breathlessly describing how, in 30 years of reporting, they've never seen a human tragedy on this scale. The Pope hasn't appealed for everyone to remember the Iraqi dead in their prayers, and MTV hasn't gone silent in their memory.

Nor are Blair and Bush falling over each other to show they recognize the scale of the disaster in Iraq. On the contrary, they have been doing their best to conceal the numbers killed.

When the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health estimated the figure of 100,000 killed in Iraq and published their findings in one of the world's leading scientific journals, the Lancet, Downing Street questioned their methodology, saying "the researchers used an extrapolation technique, which they considered inappropriate, rather than a detailed body count". Of course "a detailed body count" is the one thing the US military will not allow anyone to do.

What is so odd is the way in which so much of the media has fallen into line, downplaying the only authoritative estimate of casualties in Iraq with the same unanimity with which they have impressed upon us the death toll of the tsunami.

One of the authors of the forenamed report, Dr Gilbert Burnham, said: "Our data have been back and forth between many reviewers at the Lancet and here in the school, so we have the scientific strength to say what we have said with great certainty."

So, are deaths caused by bombs and gunfire less worthy of our pity than deaths caused by a giant wave? Or are Iraqi lives less worth counting than Indonesian, Thai, Indian and Swedish?

Why aren't our TV companies and newspapers running fundraisers to help Iraqis whose lives have been wrecked by the invasion? Why aren't they screaming with outrage at the man-made tsunami that we have created in the Middle East? It truly is baffling.

Terry Jones is a film director, actor and Python. His book Terry Jones's War on the War on Terror is published this month by the Nation www.terry-jones.net

� 2005 Guardian Unlimited
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ls650



Joined: 10 May 2003
Posts: 3484
Location: British Columbia

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps because one actually has a chance of defeating nature, as opposed to battling the Forces of Darkness. Confused
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
moonraven



Joined: 24 Mar 2004
Posts: 3094

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I think the aspiration of defeating Nature is what got us into this mess.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Nauczyciel



Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 319
Location: www.commonwealth.pl

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously - this is because people in Iraq have been dying for almost two years know, one after another. The tsunami killed tens of thousands in one day.

The number is comparable, that's true. But however cynical it might sound, the public got used to all those daily death toll reports from Iraq quite a long time ago. It's no longer shocking, it's just daily bread.

Terry Jones is right. But I'm afraid his voice won't be heard.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
moonraven



Joined: 24 Mar 2004
Posts: 3094

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe since he has the book coming out, it WILL be heard.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
once again



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Posts: 815

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may also be that there were so many nationalities killed that each country had at least some part of it effected. I guess there are not so many Iraquis living in the UK or the US as there are Indians, Sri Lankans etc..and not so many people who have headed off to Iraq for two weeks in the sun..whereas Thailand and the Maldives have many visitors.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ls650



Joined: 10 May 2003
Posts: 3484
Location: British Columbia

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point. Most westerners could not have cared less about Iraq before the war, but many have visited Thailand as tourists or at least know of other westerners who have.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stillnosheep



Joined: 01 Mar 2004
Posts: 2068
Location: eslcafe

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...the saints are coming through...
it's all over now baby blue.

(abu ghraib).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
homersimpson



Joined: 14 Feb 2003
Posts: 569
Location: Kagoshima

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One is a war and the other is a natural disaster. Dense. Rolling Eyes
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mesmerod



Joined: 19 Jul 2004
Posts: 106

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

people tend to react differently towards a singular event vs. a continuous activity.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
Truman



Joined: 24 Oct 2003
Posts: 50

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There has been a shortage of sympathy for the people of Iraq. Their suffering has been unimaginable.

On the other hand, the current conditions in Iraq should be measured, NOT against a utopian ideal, but against the conditions under the pre-war sanctions.
"A survey by UNICEF and the Iraqi government in 1997 suggested that 31 per cent - equivalent to 960,000 children - were suffering from either mild, moderate or acute chronic malnutrition, up from 18 per cent in the already worsening situation of 1991. Eleven per cent - around 340,000 children - had acute malnutrition, up from 3 per cent; and 26 per cent were underweight, against 9 per cent in 1991.

Some aid agencies estimate that up to 5,000 children per month died as the direct result of UN sanctions against Iraq.

The UN created the sanctions. There was a shortage of sympathy then. The lack of sympathy now is unfortunate, but not surprising.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/un/icrcreport98.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ChinaMovieMagic



Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 2102
Location: YangShuo

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Article began:
Quote:
I am bewildered by the world reaction to the tsunami tragedy.



That's not an appropriate word for a world-savvy soul.

More reality-related response would be...as Truman concluded:
Quote:
The lack of sympathy (for Iraq invasion victims)now is unfortunate, but not surprising.


I just picked up a surprise 3-piece DVD collection from the sidewalk stall. As an illiterate, all I recognized was the Swastika. Couildn't tell whether the DVDs were about Hinduism or Buddhism or Nazi-ism.

Turns out it's a collection of documentaries related to Hitler/Nazi-ism, including Leni R's TRIUMPH of the WILL. What interests me is to see the actual faces (not Schindler's List actors), and those h-u-g-e crowds and those salutes and shouts and later, After-the-Fall, the Good-Soldier-Schweik German Citizens told the Allies (and themselves/each other):
"We didn't know about the deaths in the Camps...we weren't Nazi sympathizers..."

This example is NOT meant to suggest that Iraq Invasion supporters are NAZIs...
BUT...that I sense:
* a de-humanization--in--process
* a de-sensitization
* a coming Dark Ages...

But civilization will survive (in a higher Dimension),
with this century's culture-preserving equivalents of:
* the Arabs
* the Irish
* Oby Wan Kenobe and the Jedi Knights
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
john henry



Joined: 23 Sep 2004
Posts: 44

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try as I might, I can't understand what CMM is saying more than half the time. Too bad, cuz there might be something there. Sad
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
moonraven



Joined: 24 Mar 2004
Posts: 3094

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try a little harder.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
john henry



Joined: 23 Sep 2004
Posts: 44

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are such an angry, mean spirited person.

Seriously, what is this supposed to mean:

But civilization will survive (in a higher Dimension),
with this century's culture-preserving equivalents of:
* the Arabs
* the Irish
* Oby Wan Kenobe and the Jedi Knights

?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Teaching Jobs in China
Teaching Jobs in China