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Nauczyciel

I have been emailed a contract. Some stipulations are detailed and comprehensive, but some are more than vague, e.g.:

nolefan · Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 1458 Location: on the run

The contracts you get via email are for reference only. In this case, all they mean is that they follow the guidelines set by SAFEA which is the agency that regulates the employment of foreign experts.

tofuman · Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 937

You should have a contract that you understand and with which you are comfortable.

I'm sorry, but these people can not be trusted. I explained in another thread about ambiguities in my contract that I attributed to language difficulty. The school used that exact ambiguity to justify behaviour that was clearly a violation of the spirit of the agreement.

The contract is provided primarily to explain what you might get if you are lucky. We have had to fight tooth and nail for things that seemed obviously included but the school has graciously provided things not included. You figure it out.

Norman Bethune · Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 731

Put your faith in God...not in anything written on a Chinese contract.

SAFEA, may set regulations and provide a template for contracts for Foreign Experts, but that doesn't mean the school you sign a contract with will actually follow those regulations and contract wordings.

The Chinese invented paper. Cantracts are something entirely different,.

lagerlout2006 · Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 985

at first glance I would trust this. What they are saying is the real contract with the red SEFEA stamp is the one that matters. I know my last school took it seriously. Quite seriously.

but of course this limited info so it's just an (un)educated guess.

Nauczyciel · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject:

I've been to China and I know you have to be careful. The rest of the contract seems detailed and clear enough (except for the following stipulation: "3. Party B must not go swimming alone or with the students, otherwise, Party B shall be fully responsible for any consequence caused by that." - ?).

I only wonder whether if it comes to signing the paper (I would like to be sent it via regular post), those stipulations which are referring to SAFEA could be left as they are or ought to be elaborated on a bit. Any suggestions?

Nauczyciel · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:59 am Post subject:

I emailed them about that and here's what I've got:

kev7161 · Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China

This always bears repeating: Get EVERYTHING in writing, signed, and stamped with the school's little red seal. My FAO tends to "forget" that he said something.

You can tell your prospective school: "it's not you, I'm sure everything is top notch here, but I've heard of other schools that have been a little sneaky."

If they refuse to put it into writing, then I'd be little worried. I love the "don't worry" line.

"Don't worry." "Don't be angry." "Don't work another job." "Don't leave a tip."

Nauczyciel · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:49 am Post subject:

You're right. We haven't heard the "don't worry" line yet, but something slightly to this effect: