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EphemeralReal
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 Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:30 am Post subject: Transferring ARC's |
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My girlfriend and I are changing jobs. The nature of the present job is not in our best interests. . .little quid pro quo, if you know what I mean. It's been a while since I've spoken my native tongue. What my girlfriend and I want to ask is whether or not it's easy to change ARC's once you find a new job and the process in transferring our ARC's. Do we have to fly to Honk Kong again? Is it cheaper or does it cost the regular NT4,000 like we paid here?
Another thing I want to ask is if I should ask my employer to pay half of this lump-sum of NT4,000 since we had to foot the whole bill and he breached the contract, in a way, by not stipulating we'd be working for a high school. He'd dismissed us, so to say, although we didn't care for the job. We think money was involved. |
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| You may find some answers here. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Transferring ARC's |
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| EphemeralReal wrote: |
| Another thing I want to ask is if I should ask my employer to pay half of this lump-sum of NT4,000 since we had to foot the whole bill and he breached the contract, in a way, by not stipulating we'd be working for a high school. He'd dismissed us, so to say, although we didn't care for the job. We think money was involved. |
Do your really think that he would go for this? I doubt it.
I am curious. Neither your girlfriend nor yourself are native speakers of English, yet you seem to have ARC's. What is the purpose of your ARC in being here? Is it for work or for study? |
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EphemeralReal
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| My boss he say he keep ARC long time when I'm leaving. We know, now looking for a new job but if the boss says he keeps the ARC and not call immigration will it be okay? Will we still go to Hong Kong? We can just get new job and apply to the government again, okay? |
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EphemeralReal
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| We wonder to if we can get our money for Taiwan Labor Law since you say we get fired and get paid, yes? Maybe scare the pants off my boss. |
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EphemeralReal
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Transferring ARC's |
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| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
| EphemeralReal wrote: |
| Another thing I want to ask is if I should ask my employer to pay half of this lump-sum of NT4,000 since we had to foot the whole bill and he breached the contract, in a way, by not stipulating we'd be working for a high school. He'd dismissed us, so to say, although we didn't care for the job. We think money was involved. |
Do your really think that he would go for this? I doubt it.
I am curious. Neither your girlfriend nor yourself are native speakers of English, yet you seem to have ARC's. What is the purpose of your ARC in being here? Is it for work or for study? |
None of those things are true. My boyfriend wants to import big cheeses from France, I hate but needs me to help him. He said being here would help to learn our business with Chinese. He has a doctor degree in business, and we use a business visa he has now. I have ARC's. |
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TaoyuanSteve
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| You can try to get money out of your employer, but I think pushing too hard would be a bad idea. One thing I was able to gather from your posts was that your boss will not cancel your ARC, something that's worth quite a bit to you. Another issue is how it is that you got that ARC in the first place. You seem like nice people, but I smell fishy dealings. One or both of you have an ARC for the purposes of teaching English, but neither of you qualify for one as per the goverment's regulations. There seems to be a lot of fraud going on. By reporting your employer or otherwise using official channels to deal with your complaint, you risk having the government discover your ineligibility for the ARC you hold. That could open a whole pandoras box of trouble, including fines and deportation.Also, I think it's pretty obvious your boss is someone who is not above deception and lawbreaking. I wouldn't mess with him. He can do more harm to you than you can do to him. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:29 am Post subject: Re: Transferring ARC's |
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| EphemeralReal wrote: |
| My boyfriend wants to import big cheeses from France, I hate but needs me to help him. He said being here would help to learn our business with Chinese. He has a doctor degree in business, and we use a business visa he has now. |
Well then he should be importing cheese if that was the purpose of obtaining the business visa to be here, not teaching English.
Just so that you know, your boyfriend IS working illegally if indeed he is teching English on a business visa without an ARC. As such all of the questions regarding laws pertaining to whether or not it is legal for his school to ask him to work at high schools, and questions about how you can punish your boss for treating you badly, are invalidated. He is an illegal worker in Taiwan just as we all suspected from the very beginning.
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| I have ARC's. |
It wouldn't surprise me at all if you did have more than one ARC, as it fits with the side-stepping that you have been doing to avoid specific answers to my specific questions.
It is pretty simple really. You are not a native English speaker, therefore you are not legally entitled to a work permit for teaching English here.
You may have an ARC, but if you do it because you have gone through one of the channels below, both of which are illegal:
a. You are on a 'Visitors Visa' for study purposes, and have been here for a period of time. This is a breach of visa guidelines for which you would be deported if caught.
b. You obtained an ARC to teach through the provision of false of misleading information about your status as a native English speaker. This is a criminal offence for which you would be arrested, detained, fined, and deported if caught.
You are taking quite a risk to believe that your old boss will keep your ARC open. It is highly likely that if you do have an ARC through him that he will cancel it, even if he doesn't tell you that he has done this. Legally, he is required to cancel your work permit, hence your resident visa, hence your ARC, once you stop working for him.
Even if he did keep your ARC open, this doesn't entitle you to work wherever you want. You can only work for the employer stated on your ARC, so you would still need to secure a work permit through your new employer anyway.
Look, it really doesn't matter to me if you choose to work in Taiwan illegally. That is your choice as adults, and as such you need to live with the repercussions of your decision. Don't come here though touting that your boss is being unreasonable and that he is breaking Labor Law in his decisions regarding your employment, as these laws do not apply to illegal workers. You made your own bed, now lie in it.
I can see that you and your boyfriend are on a downhill spiral. You will either be picked up and deported for working illegally, or you will be ripped off by the unscrupulous employers that employ you illegally. Either way, I doubt that you will make a good living here in Taiwan, and you will no doubt leave penniless.
Ever thought of maybe teaching the language in which you are native speaker? |
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junkmail
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Ever thought of maybe teaching the language in which you are native speaker?
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Whatever language that may be.
The more I read your posts EphemeralReal, the less I believe you actually exist. Even your forum name sounds like a prank.
If you are working illegally, stop asking advice from people who are not in your position. I've worked illegally to some extent myself, but I don't usually post questions about it. Futhermore, noone else here is in your situation. One of your multiple peronalities has a Phd in business? Then get some work along those lines.
If you are for real then I feel a bit sorry for you, but still I can't help you and neither I suspect, can anyone else on this forum. |
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TaoyuanSteve
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If you are for real then I feel a bit sorry for you, but still I can't help you and neither I suspect, can anyone else on this forum. |
Well said. It probably is the clearest representation of our position. We cannot help you, Ephemeral Real. We may feel a bit sorry for the trouble you are going through and how you must feel right now. However, this is trouble you brought on yourself through your own decisions. You are working illegally so there are few options open to you, other than to move on quietly and not draw attention to what you are doing. You do not want to go through any official channels to try and get your money as any attempt will only reveal your status to the authorites. |
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EphemeralReal
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Are hours are too many with schools at the highschool classes too. So we quit more then the boss since he said we have to work at the highschool. We think he lies, not us. We just want to leave the school now so to find a newer job. My boyfriend can use his visas anytime so he changed to ARC's for theaching when he finds more cheese business men. He's angry at this boss man. We think we can get jobs easy with our levels of speaking. Because we are bad at write does not mean I speak same. My boyfriend wants to get a job with less hour time since we work all day. Do you have any idea if hours should be nine classes a day for us?
My boyfriend wants to go to Korea since they lie. |
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TaoyuanSteve
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sorry, but your meaning is very unclear because your English level is very low. I do not believe your speaking is any better. For speakers of European languages, their writing level is often much better than their speaking. 100% sure that your spoken English is heavily accented and broken. You get jobs because Asian parents equate white faces with native speakers of English. Non-English speaking people sometimes cannot distinguish between nationalities of white people. You are taking advantage of their ignorance and being very dishonest, as are those employing you. CHOOSE ANOTHER CAREER. |
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Xenophobe
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| EphemeralSurreal is obviously a fabrication created to yank your chains and it seems to be working quite well. Somewhere, someone is ROFL at those who are taking these posts seriously. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| EphemeralSurreal is obviously a fabrication created to yank your chains and it seems to be working quite well. Somewhere, someone is ROFL at those who are taking these posts seriously. |
I tend to agree with you. No one could be so stupid as to continue posting the same old stuff in the way that this poster has been, and totally oblivious to the answers that are being given.
I think back to the original post by this person, something about motorcycles being used by Mainland China for the dissemination of poisonous gases in Taiwan. Remember that one everyone. 
No loss though. The information, by way of answers to the situations raised, is out there, and may prove useful to others. |
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TaoyuanSteve
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:30 am Post subject: |
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I tend to disagree. As hard as it is to believe, I think this person and her beau are likely real. I think part of the weird vibe we get from their posts is a result of their mid level esl learner writing level.
I wouldn't be shocked to death if Ephemeral were simply a troll, though. |
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