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ohahakehte
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 Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:12 am Post subject: "Top Eikawa" in Chiba City? |
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im talking with a recruiter these days about a teaching position in Chiba City but the only name she's given me for the school is "top eikawa." know anything about this school? is it good?
they're offering 280,000 yen salary for an experienced teacher (which i am), 140 hours of work a week, and start up and finishing bonuses.
good deal?
possible down side is that they want me to send them a video of me teaching (i guess because im not in japan right now and cant have a face-to-face interview with them) |
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Nismo
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:03 am Post subject: Re: "Top Eikawa" in Chiba City? |
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| ohahakehte wrote: |
140 hours of work a week...
good deal? |
140 hours of work per month, I would hope... |
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spidey
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:09 am Post subject: |
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140 hours a week?! I think you mean a month. Don't you?
Even so, 140(teaching) hours a month is still quite a lot. You should confirm that as well. That being said...280000 yen sounds about write for the amount of hours. The typical amounts are 250000 for about 120 teaching hours a month. I have never heard of a contract containing 140 mandatory teaching hours per month. It is definitely a lot and something you should strongly consider before making any decisions.
I would recommend to search around a bit more. As an experienced teacher you should be able to find a better set up than this one.
Good Luck
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PAULH
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:12 am Post subject: Re: "Top Eikawa" in Chiba City? |
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| ohahakehte wrote: |
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they're offering 280,000 yen salary for an experienced teacher (which i am), 140 hours of work a week, and start up and finishing bonuses.
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Spidey
he never mentioned teaching hours, you did.
It could be office hours or time clocked in in the office as opposed to actual face time with students.
Still it averages out to 35 hours a week of being on the job, if thats the case.
PS Its a very rare place that pays you a bonus as soon as you start work. A start-up loan to pay for key money etc maybe but not a bonus. |
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ohahakehte
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| in korea its common for the school to send you the contract before they've given you the job so you can look it over. would it be proper for me to ask to see the contract before i proceed w/ this company? |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| ohahakehte wrote: |
| in korea its common for the school to send you the contract before they've given you the job so you can look it over. would it be proper for me to ask to see the contract before i proceed w/ this company? |
You better read the contract first and I'd ask to speak to a fellow teacher too, preferably when they're not at work. |
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spidey
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| You know, Mr. PAULH, for someone who is supposed to be a "moderator", you are awfully damned combative. |
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guest of Japan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:57 am Post subject: |
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With only one year experience in a Korean Hogwan it is unlikely that the OP will get a better offer than 280,000 a month.
As for the school I've heard the name, but I've never met anyone who worked there, and I don't even know where it is despite often going to Chiba City. I'll ask my colleague tomorrow if he knows anything. He's more in the know about Chiba than me. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| guest of Japan wrote: |
With only one year experience in a Korean Hogwan it is unlikely that the OP will get a better offer than 280,000 a month.
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I think he said he was experienced. Not sure how long you have to teach to be considered experienced. I would consider having 5 years of teaching under your belt to be experienced, certainly not 1. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| spidey wrote: |
| You know, Mr. PAULH, for someone who is supposed to be a "moderator", you are awfully damned combative. |
Mea culpa. Bad hair day at work this week. If Dave gave me wings I'd be an angel. |
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guest of Japan
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| Gordon, I did a quick search of the OP's posts and he admited to one years experience in a Korean hogwan. I don't wish to make a value jusdgement on experience, but I am certain that positions exceeding the one put on the table by the OP are rare with only one year experience, especially when that experience is in a Korean hogwan where white face equals teacher. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| guest of Japan wrote: |
| Gordon, I did a quick search of the OP's posts and he admited to one years experience in a Korean hogwan. I don't wish to make a value jusdgement on experience, but I am certain that positions exceeding the one put on the table by the OP are rare with only one year experience, especially when that experience is in a Korean hogwan where white face equals teacher. |
You must be right then. I just went by what he said "experienced teacher". I guess that he and I have a different version of what that means. 280,000 yen is good for his "experience". |
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ohahakehte
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Gordon wrote: |
| ohahakehte wrote: |
| in korea its common for the school to send you the contract before they've given you the job so you can look it over. would it be proper for me to ask to see the contract before i proceed w/ this company? |
You better read the contract first and I'd ask to speak to a fellow teacher too, preferably when they're not at work. |
i asked the recruiter about that and she said i have to be offered the job before i can see the contract or talk to other teachers.
and the name of the school indeed seems to be Top Eikawa. ive asked her several times and she says that the name. i dunno either! |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| ohahakehte wrote: |
| Gordon wrote: |
| ohahakehte wrote: |
| in korea its common for the school to send you the contract before they've given you the job so you can look it over. would it be proper for me to ask to see the contract before i proceed w/ this company? |
You better read the contract first and I'd ask to speak to a fellow teacher too, preferably when they're not at work. |
i asked the recruiter about that and she said i have to be offered the job before i can see the contract or talk to other teachers.
and the name of the school indeed seems to be Top Eikawa. ive asked her several times and she says that the name. i dunno either! |
It doesn't hurt to try for the job then. You're not obligated to go there until you sign the contract. I understand they don't show you the contract until they offer it to you, they may not want you and vice versa. I would never let someone peruse a contract unless I was offering it to them and hiring them.
What exactly is this recruiter doing for you and are you paying them anything? For a recruiter, they don't seem to be very helpful or knowledgeable. |
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ohahakehte
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| Gordon wrote: |
| What exactly is this recruiter doing for you and are you paying them anything? For a recruiter, they don't seem to be very helpful or knowledgeable. |
no im not paying them anything. shes not doing much for me at all! she only vaguely answers my questions so now to know anything about the company im having to ask people on gaijinpot and daves esl. priddy stupid. and she keeps insisting that i send her a video of my teaching even though im not crazy about it. shes not giving me enough incentive to do that other than the sweet idea that the job pays 280,000yen a month. |
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