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[Jacob]

Don't trust these people.

[owen buckland]

[David Bowles]

Can't we all just get along and be friends, people?
Peace and love to all!

[owen buckland]

[klasies]

Owen

I don't know you and I don't know the group but I have recently noticed that you feel the need to defend every negative response you get about the Buckland Group!
If the group is as good as you say, why do you feel the need to constantly defend yourself! Once would have been enough, but you have this desire to always defend it. I wonder why?????? "Me thinks the lady doth protest too much"
Those of us who have been here for some time know exactly what the setup is and no amount of defending will change our perception!
Do you really think posting some comments made by some 'foreign' person, with an e-mail attached to it will fool people of average IQ

[arioch36]

Mr buckland....now you really have little respect. Your words are becoming garbage. Never do you address the issues, one of which was Jacob's problems about having two contracts at once, one with you , and one with the school. You only answer the questions you want to.



Instead you write long meaningless articles and constantly repeat the same answer, basically saying how you love your foreigners, personally take care of each one, other garbage. You love your foreigners all the way to the bank, I am sure.


It would be nice to have someone in your position answer some honest questions, which you have so yourself incapable of doing. yes yes yes, you are great kind loving and wonderful. That you are able to take care of everyone's problems is BULLS****T. That every school is perfect is BULLS**T. That every person has a wonderful time is BULLS***T

I now believe you also are BULLS***T. I don't believe this is the place for you to be advertising yourself. I am sick of reading it. Either answer Jacob's original question, answer mine, or get lost.

Moderators, do we really have to listen to him singing his own praises??? Is he paying Dave? I am not here to listen to a recruiters propaganda I am serious, this is getting a little much. If a recruiter is going to come on to this site, at least he can address the questions.

Moderators, do you really want this forum to become like the teaching training forum was? Canuckle invites his recruiting salesman to post, I invite my recruiting salseman friend post????

[owen buckland]

Don't worry, I would NOT come here so ofen to waste my time to read Jacob's bull**t either,I promise NOT to post any bull**t either, if someone NOT attack Buckland Group. Any complaints is welcomed, and it is reasonable,because every one has the rights to complain if he was treated unfair. You may already noticed that I did not post anything againt you or Roger, because what you said is reasonable. You asked why I have two contracts, I have answered Roger already, here again is the answer: I need to have a contract with any one who want to teach in China through Buckland, then after they arrived I have to transfer the contract to the school(the same condition as the Buckland contract), so the teacher re-sign it with the school,BUT the contract with Buckland still valid if the school cannot carry out the contract with the teacher, for example, cannot afford to pay the airfee, Buckland still has the obligation to pay the teacher air fee.
You never need to worry I will use the forum to advertise, as you can count how many people is reading this, if I pay only 75US$ to do a post in dave's cafe, more than 1000 will click, and I did paid a few times to post there already.
Farewell, I hope this will be my last post here.

[hubei_canuk]

Misrepresentation and Freedom of Speech
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[arioch36]

Mr. Buckland,

You still haven't answered Jacob's originall post. Now granted, he should have stated it much better, and he should have stated it on this thread that he started. It is also wrong for him to come here and say Buckland sucks. Why does it suck Jacob? Your post was also BS. You said somewhat last time...explain, give details
But you totally ignored his comments when he mentioned the problem on a previous thread. Instead you gave the usual recruiter speak, that probably all of us have heard too often...I'm your best friend, everything is going to be great.

Of course, if you have been recruiting a lot, you will find some happy people. But we haven't heard from any of them on Dave's. I am not asking you to leave Dave's. Yes you kind of, a little, answered Roger, but not well. What you did much more on that thread is say the same thing several times, in a quite lenghty manner, about how great your place is, etc. Can you see the difference?

I can, and did check out your website. Very nice, but that is where the glowing reports from a satisfied teacher belong, not here. Here, it's just BS. If one of your teachers had personally wrote in glowing terms about buckland that would be a little different. Otherwise, it is secondhand info, propaganda, a saleman pitching his product, not a professional answering your question. I have never heard yet of a recruiter saying anything bad about a school he sent a teacher to, or anything bad about his own organization. Wonder why???

Actually it was Canuckle that said you were a free-wheeler, and that the buyer better beware when dealing with you. So what he said was what made me suspicious.

. I'm not even saying true or untrue... want you to understand, Mr. Buckland, I am not calling you a liar. I am saying that I think you are giving propaganda, and grandiose promises, which unfortunately is quite common in China. Obviously not every person is satisfied. Last year ther was a thread about Buckland, not so good. Don't tell us how great Buckland is. Just give the answer.

If my previous reply was too rude, by the way, I am sorry. I am very direct, even by American standards. So you came on here said a lot, and I let you know exactly what I think of what you said.

[oprah]

I am with Buckland, I have been here about 42 days. Everything Buckland has advertised has been honoured. If I have any questions, he answers.. and I can contact him or his staff anytime.. Yes, I was confused about two contracts, one with the school and one with Buckland and from time to time I need answers and so far I do not have complaints.. They took care of me from the time I got off of the plane after 20 hours of flying, helped me get over the jet lag by providing accommodation for a few days rest and provided a nice young person to accompany me on the train to my destination and made sure I was met at the train station by the school, who then took me to my apartment with all the things they had promised in the apartment...

[arioch36]

In Canuckle's own words, based on his personal experience with "Buckland", "Owen" considers a promise worth nothing, and to Owen every foreigner is a sucker. canuckle states that there are many such "Owen stories". Owen is slick, and that unless you have a lot of smarts, Owen will take you for a ride. So Canuckle says. And Canuckle says he really knows China and Yangshuo. He says so all the time

I don't know if it is true. Honestly, Owen, I would believe you over Knuckle. But that's what is in the recent record.

Good to here from another first hand account. Thank you Oprah 42 days is a short time, post again. I think with anyone who truly rcruits 60 teachers, it's a crapshoot. You are going to have some great stories, and not so great stories

[hubei_canuk]

"working in the fields at noon,
sweat dropping into the soil.
Not a single grain of rice
comes easily"
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Somewhat loose translation of an ancient chinese poem.
..
It is not a matter of being cheated it is a matter of dealling with a people who have for centuries counted every grain of rice and always cut the best deal they can.
I do my best for anyone in my small circle of friends. But sometimes it isn't always appreciated for reasons i mentioned earlier.
...
Let us consider the plight of those who have come to China looking for the Unemployment Commission, the Social Security benefits, the Hospitalization plan, the Human Rights commission, the Equal Opportunity Employer, a Pot of Gold, ....
...
"If one is a silly goose in China, one will get one's goose cooked."
-( from the analects of Qin Huang Shi Kai - China's first Emperor)

[Peter McAlpine]

I find it rather saddening to read such personal and vitriolic attacks.

Even if the Bucklands have made a mistake, and I'm not saying they have, I feel the matter should be addressed to them in a less public way. I'm sure that they are trying to run their business well and that if mistakes are made, they have no malicious intent.

Perhaps it's the effect of living in Thailand for 18 years, but I've learned over the years to forgive people for their mistakes and to say "I'm sorry" when I make a mistake. It has such a positive and lasting effect on both people, and a chain reactive effect on others.

Please accept my apologies if this suggestion upsets anyone involved in the discussion.

[travesty21]

Everyone please reread Owen Bucklands last post. Either he learned to write english in China or he is Chinese. That post's grammar was horrendous. It was as if I was reading one of my Chinese students papers.

[Gray000]

hmmm... owen might be chinese... hmmm, interesting and novel idea....

What IS actually insulting is that ringing endorsement from those oh so foreign teachers. But y'know, I kind of sympathize. Every time I wave my parents goodbye, I also think I might never do it again, you might think this too, but many times I have, just in case. How about you guys? The main thing is to just not think like that, how wrong, but instead to 'think about' the good times and that your parents are always there with you, diespensing love because they are right there with you, not really far away.
I cannot speak more highly of my parents.

Does anybody in Europe (I assume Vas Pergat is an eastern european name) talk like this?