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Nismo



Joined: 27 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone has a different impression of a loser. Mine = frat boy / sorority girl. There were a couple of those I had to deal with in Tokyo, but not as bad as back home. Also, manga/anime = nerding it. There were some people I just wanted to slap around last year, but I'm a gentle person so I couldn't bring myself to do it. They would abandon everything around themselves and submerge into a fantasy world of 12-year-old-looking heroes with breasts larger than possible. What I found sad about them is that that was what they thought about Japan.

Also, those people who go out clubbing every weekend, especially people who go to Roppongi - bunch of nerds. Can't stand them.
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chi-chi-



Joined: 17 Jul 2004
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Location: In la-la land

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just wonder how many people are in Asia because they either want to try out teaching for a career before they get certified, and then find that they actually LIKE teaching. Out of all the foreigners I met, I met ONE other girl (like me) who had that reason. She was 20 and teaching in Taiwan. She decided to go home and get certified to teach. I decided the same thing.
It just seems to me like a lot of people in Asia come for the "gold mine" or opposite sex or whatever.
So, anyway, look for the people who don't come to Asia by themselves. They seem to be the ones who think things through (who do you go to when you have problems, etc? At least you're not alone if you bring a friend, or whatever.)
And yes, sometimes this board reminds me of Ally McBeal. *lol*
Oh yes, and I wrote a poem on the Genral Asia board about this phenomena. Fakers. People who pretend to enjoy teaching so they can make a quick buck. But they would never do it at home, too much real work for them. In high school, people like this were called "posers." And if nothing, I have learned that the real world is indeed an extension of high school if you reference it right.
Anyways peace out
From NOT a loser/poser
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nicyvesweet



Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nismo wrote:
Everyone has a different impression of a loser. Mine = frat boy / sorority girl. There were a couple of those I had to deal with in Tokyo, but not as bad as back home. Also, manga/anime = nerding it. There were some people I just wanted to slap around last year, but I'm a gentle person so I couldn't bring myself to do it. They would abandon everything around themselves and submerge into a fantasy world of 12-year-old-looking heroes with breasts larger than possible. What I found sad about them is that that was what they thought about Japan.

Also, those people who go out clubbing every weekend, especially people who go to Roppongi - bunch of nerds. Can't stand them.


To that comment: Smile I think that's funny.

On the original topic: I was asking about it b/c I would often read about "losers" who moved to Japan b/c they couldn't cut it in Western society. I want specifics. I mean, seriously, what does that mean? I did the sorority thing..was a cartoonist for my university's daily newspaper, I watch my fair share of Adult Swim on CN. Occaisionally go clubbing (although not to drink); I still get nervous talking to guys. All in all, I'm fully aware of my dorkdom, but I want to know, as far as what was described on the boards, what does it mean? Who are these people? What are they like? Are these antisocial people that feel a little more free in another country? Seriously, I'm curious now. Tell me about the expat losers. And no, I'm not making Japan my permanent home despite admitting being a big geek. I'm still rather fond of Western society. Very Happy
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chi-chi-



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of them have a chip on their shoulder about their home country for whatever reason, and because of this feel the need to comment on other Westerners whenever they seem them; engage in anti-social bahaviors, etc.
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nicyvesweet



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chi-chi- wrote:
A lot of them have a chip on their shoulder about their home country for whatever reason, and because of this feel the need to comment on other Westerners whenever they seem them; engage in anti-social bahaviors, etc.


When you say anti-social, is that to other Westerners or to virtually everyone?
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Sweetsee



Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is in response to Nicyvesweet:

I don't believe that I have shown them how much it gets to me, never lost it. I did try in various attempts to correct their behavior. I tried it all.
The problem was that from the moment I entered the classroom a group of them refused to stop talking, doing print-club, sit turned around, using phones, and so on. I begged JTE to have a word or have the dean have a word with them but in this system, they don't do that. Instead, it is me who has a problem, I discriminated aainst them by calling them on their behavior.
When I was at my wits ends one day I made the mistake, and believe me it was a mistake, I took one of the trouble-makers to a conference room and planned to let her know, from one person to another, that her behavior was unacceptable; take her aside, as it were.
Big, big mistake. I used a mix of L1 and L2 and from the first moment the student heard nothing.
At another point, at the end of one lesson, I put up with the cachophony erupting from this group all through my lesson and with 5 minutes to go before the chime I made an announcement in which I singled out each member of said group as being a trouble-maker. They in turn cried to JTE that I had disriminated against them. After which, he complained to me.
In the school's way of doing things, never, never, never can you say any such things to a student due to the sensitive relationship existing between students and staff.
Anyway, thanks for asking and I'm through with it again. I have been moaning about it on this forum since before last summer unabated. I can't wait for the term to end, another month.
I don't know if that answers your question but personally I would say that they do hate me and that is fine with me.

Enjoy your weekend,
s


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chi-chi-



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you having problems with other foreign teachers, problems with your class, or both?
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry that post was in response to another question and I don't know how it got there and I have given up trying to put it in the right place.

In answer to your question, problem with a class.
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jesszilla



Joined: 25 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to put in my 2 cents - Chi-chi hasn't met me yet, but I'm one of those people who is going to Japan to gain some experience in the field of education. I'm 95% sure that I want to pursue TESOL as a career, but I'd like to try it out first before I sign away my soul to pay for grad school. My loans from my BA are pretty steep already.
I may still qualify as a loser, however, for a couple of other reasons - 1) I'm an Aikido geek, and 2) I have developed a taste for anime. But I'm not fixated on these things - I'm still capable of having decent conversations on plenty of other subjects.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jesszilla,

You are going to have a ball here.
Just looking at your location, I happen to know someone in Ashland though I've never been there. Ever heard of the Cipes?

Enjoy yourself,
s
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Mike L.



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
In answer to your question, problem with a class.


You need to detactch yourself emotionally from teaching it's only way to last!

Drop smart comments out of nonentity, I mean JTE, earshot once in a while at your liesure to thenlittle s***s but avoid dirrect conflict.

Dito for your school. Go in and say good morning do you bit leave when it's time and say "osaki ni....."

I didn't realize this intially, but the most important thing about working in Japan is to simply be at your post at the alloted time and don't make any waves.

Teahcing? Education? Morals? Values? Common sense?

Forget it! Do things like this and well it's pretty easy to collect those bonuses.
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spidey



Joined: 29 Jun 2004
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Location: Web-slinging over Japan...

PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
Spidey my man,


Knew if I cried loud enough you'd hear me.

You will be the first person I call, mate. Would you honestly do it?

If so, please tell me how to do it.



...sure picked the wrong half of my life to quit drinking.

s


Sweetsee me lady,

I see that the same problem is still plaguing you. I must reinterate, I feel that the students are being given a reason to act the way that they are. By this I mean that you must be providing some type of motivation for them to act upon. My feeling is that it is coming from you without you being aware of it. Something inside of you that is affecting them negatively. Whether it is a sense of insecurity or an esteem issue only you can know. Sorry to be so direct, but this problem seems to be ongoing. Again, I must say that it is time for you to look more at yourself than it is to look at your students or your surroundings.

PM me anytime

S

P.S. I was only joking before, but it would relish the chance to tackle your problem head on. More though as a learning experience for myself than anything else.

Good luck
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Sweetsee



Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike L,

Spot on, mate. I will try. Thank you so much.


Spidey my man,

I believe that you are exactly right. I am making this position out to be more than it is. Any body with a pulse could fill my position and I am too concerned with making a difference.

Its time for ...when in Rome...time.

Enjoy your weekend,
s
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nicyvesweet



Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike L. wrote:
Quote:
In answer to your question, problem with a class.


You need to detactch yourself emotionally from teaching it's only way to last!

Drop smart comments out of nonentity, I mean JTE, earshot once in a while at your liesure to thenlittle s***s but avoid dirrect conflict.

Dito for your school. Go in and say good morning do you bit leave when it's time and say "osaki ni....."

I didn't realize this intially, but the most important thing about working in Japan is to simply be at your post at the alloted time and don't make any waves.

Teahcing? Education? Morals? Values? Common sense?

Forget it! Do things like this and well it's pretty easy to collect those bonuses.


So does the detachment rule work for all Japanese jobs?
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Mike L.



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I believe that you are exactly right. I am making this position out to be more than it is. Any body with a pulse could fill my position and I am too concerned with making a difference.


That's right! You have no tenureship (I imgaine) and you're not a "company man" in the sense that your co-workers are with their keigo and sycophantic (sp?) behaviour towrds the managment.

Only Japanese company people are really wanted in Japan's imitation schools!

Teachig ability is irrelevant and anyone who speaks their mind, like teachers in western democracies, is clearly not welcome.

Thus you could be replaced by a more "genki" shamisen strumming
23 year old gaijin at any time.

This may happen regardless so prepare yourself mentally and finnacially.

PM MR FOR MORE SPECIFIC ADVICE MONEY MATTERS if you like..
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