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was teaching english your first job?

 
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did you go to asia to teach english as soon as you completed your degree?
yes, i applied before i finished my education and was in asia teaching as soon as i was done
25%
 25%  [ 5 ]
yes, it took some time to find a job but i was in east asia not long after i was finished school
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
yes, but it wasn't my first job choice, i wanted to do other things
10%
 10%  [ 2 ]
no, i worked in other fields for a year or more before i taught english
40%
 40%  [ 8 ]
no, i worked in other fields for several years but i came to asia to teach because there were no good jobs left in my home country
20%
 20%  [ 4 ]
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ohahakehte



Joined: 25 Aug 2003
Posts: 128
Location: japan

PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: was teaching english your first job? Reply with quote

after you finished your college/university degree did you go straight to asia to teach english? was it your "first job" as in, first salaried, legitimate job and not an unviable "student job" that we all did during college/university? in my case, i wasnt against teaching english in asia, but it was my last choice because all my other options didnt work out.
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Timuli



Joined: 10 Jan 2004
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Location: Saitama

PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After 6 and a half year in uni went to become an attorney. Worked as such for a while. Then became a state prosecutor. Then went back to uni for a masters, then finally came to Japan.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:51 am    Post subject: Re: was teaching english your first job? Reply with quote

ohahakehte wrote:
was it your "first job" as in, first salaried, legitimate job and not an unviable "student job" that we all did during college/university?


hmmm...
unviable student job- working at a big box store.
first salaried, "legitimate" job (not really sure what you mean by this)
- working at a big box store FULL TIME!!!
or
-low-level management position of big box store (Management Trainee etc).

These are very common positions for people with Arts degrees where I come from.

So my first "legitimate" job was in retail- low-level management. Immediately before that I had worked full time retail. The management was salaried. The full time was hourly. Both had more benefits than I get with my JET programme job because my health coverage included eyewear. Neither paid as well as JET. But the management position paid better than many or most ESL teachers positions in Ontario, Canada. And both of them were more stable than communications- an area I worked in prior to that.

If by "Legitamate" job, you mean the types of things that seem to fit better with having a degree- like some sort of office work, or writing (PR, advertising, journalism) [Obviously I'm a humanities area graduate] etc. then I guess you don't know that most of the entry level jobs in those areas are contract, possibly part time, have no benefits at all and generally pay the same or less than you earn full time at a big box store, when you aren't even in the management side of the store (so yes, generally the guy who has a job as an Assistant Sales manager, trainee at a big box store is earning more money than the person who is working 60 plus hours a week in a PR or Advertising firm as a "junior"-which means under three years experience). They therefore do not constitute a real legitamate job by your definition, because they are generally not salaried positions, but contracts that may run every three months (often not renewed, b/c it could open the door to negotiations for more pay) all the way down to daily, so you never know if you will have anywhere to go the next morning.

Many people don't consider teaching English to be a real job either.
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wintersweet



Joined: 18 Jan 2005
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Location: San Francisco Bay Area

PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: was teaching english your first job? Reply with quote

GambateBingBangBOOM wrote:

Many people don't consider teaching English to be a real job either.


Heaven knows a lot of English "teachers" don't treat it like one. Confused

As for me, I've worked in a museum for 2-3 years on and off. Not counting the job I had as a research assistant, since that was the epitome of student work.

Sadly, I actually need to find part-time work before I go to Japan, since it won't be till mid-May or June at the very earliest. A BA in history and part of an MA in Asian studies qualifies me for ... absolutely nothing. Yay college. Rolling Eyes
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denise



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: finally home-ish

PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just out of curiosity--what are you going to do with the responses from all of your polls? You have quite a few going now.

Teaching was not my first job, and Japan is not the first place that I have taught in. I had an office job for two years after college, then spent two years teaching in the Czech Republic, then two years in grad school, and now here I am.

I knew in my final semester of college that I wanted to teach, or at least give it a try. The office job was a means to an end--it enabled me to save up money for my TEFL course. I didn't fall into this field because there was nothing else at home; I chose this field very intentionally.

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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I was in university I was a manager of a fitness club. After I graduated I worked f/t for another year, then my wife and I backpacked for 8 months around Europe and Turkey, mostly in the southern and eastern parts of Europe where it is cheapest. Then when I got back to Canada I left this time for Korea to teach after about 7 weeks. That was 10 years ago that I started teaching and have done this f/t ever since slowly moving on to better and better jobs while getting more training and education along the way.
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Albright



Joined: 01 Nov 2004
Posts: 39

PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first "job" was a paper route, where I had to monthly go to most of my customers' houses and look them in the face while they decided how much of a tip I deserved. My second was working part-time (full-time during summers) at a grocery store at which my step-father was the manager; I ate dinner sitting across the table from the man who signed my paycheck. Between these two jobs, I learned a thing or two about being a serious, disciplined employee. I've been working more or less continuously since I was sixteen at a variety of jobs, both part- and full-time. So, no, my upcoming stint with ECC will not be my first job.

In college, I would often be shocked by the attitudes some of my co-workers would have towards their jobs... Truancy, defiance, and so on. I eventually came to realize that this often happened because this was the first job these kids had ever had, and they had no idea how to be a serious employee. I'm glad that I was never in such a situation. I pity those for whom an eikaiwa gig will be their first job, and who will have a similar ignorant attitude, half a world away from home... I guess those low-paid, probationary training sessions serve more than the stated purpose.

Heh, I remember my first year in college, I worked at the cafeteria. One of my shifts was scrubbing pots and pans, and one day during this shift, I was joined by a new co-worker... who would refuse to touch any cooking implement that had been used to cook meat. After that one day, I never saw her on the job again.
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AndyH



Joined: 30 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent six years in the US Marine Corps, went to college, graduated, made the mistake of getting married, worked in law enforcement for five years, got divorced, went to Korea, realized it was another mistake, came to Japan, will get married again! (this time it isn't a mistake!!).
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