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Lauracamille



Joined: 12 Jan 2005
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Location: Yorkshire

PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:40 pm    Post subject: Panama advice ?? Reply with quote

Hey, Im a British National with a CELTA plus experience in teaching. I am flying out to Panama in April to stay with friends. I am going to use this time to search for employment for September (as I am already comitted to summer school ).
Has anyone got any advice on teaching in Panama or job seeking. I also want to enrol on a Spanish language course.

Thanks guys Wink
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pirateinpanama



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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Location: Panama City, Panama

PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:31 am    Post subject: Panama Reply with quote

As you're probably aware, certain countries prefer people with English accents, other countries prefer people with N. American accents~~~Panama falls into the latter catagory.
Sorry, but to be honest, being a British national won't help. Neither will the CELTA (they couldn't care less here). I wish you the best, but it may be tough going. There's increasing competition as word gets out that this may be one of the better paying countries in this region. Canadian and US citizens are on the priority list. HOWEVER, all hope is not lost. Try the Oxford School (not Oxford Int.)---the prinicpal is English and he likes to think of his school as something akin to a British boarding school, although it's no different than any American public school. I'm not sure the pay (probably $800-$850 a month) is really worth the headaches involved, but it's a possibility.
Best of luck!!
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jello1



Joined: 11 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever heard the expression "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all..." While constructive criticism about jobs etc is certainly helpful, it appears some folks deliberately attempt to persuade folks from coming to certain countries.

All I can say is come on folks, if you are afraid of competition maybe your in the wrong line of work. Plus, it REAL bad karma...
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Ben Round de Bloc



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jello1 wrote:
Have you ever heard the expression "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all..." While constructive criticism about jobs etc is certainly helpful, it appears some folks deliberately attempt to persuade folks from coming to certain countries.

This comment sort of bothers me in the context of this thread. It's probably just the way different people interpret things, but I don't see anything in pirateinpanama's post that merits the expression, "If you don't have anything nice to say . . ." The information might not be overly encouraging for the original poster who wants to find a job teaching EFL in Panama, but there's nothing "not nice" in the posting or any deliberate attempt to persuade someone not to go to Panama that I can see. Pirateinpanama simply stated how it is there, that it could be tough going for the original poster based on the info she gave about herself, and that there's increasing competition for jobs. If we're going to get into clich�s, maybe Don't shoot the messenger applies in this case. Pirateinpanama simply reported how it is, that most employers in Panama prefer American and Canadian teachers and that CELTA isn't highly recognized there. He didn't cause it to be that way.
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jello1



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upon further review the judges determined I needed to remove the stick from my, well you know...

Sorry, must have been having a bad day!
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qatherine



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Location: Istanbul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:02 pm    Post subject: don't dissuade me! Reply with quote

is it wrong for me to ask only for positive advice? yes! but I am really set on the idea of coming to Panama and would rather not be put off! In what sort of school are North American accents preferred, are you talking about kids' schools, or private language schools, or universities? I am British. I'm teaching in Istanbul at the moment, those are the 3 options of places to teach English, is this the same in Panama? and private langauge schools (where I am teaching now) are the bottom of the heap in terms of pay and conditions, is that the same case? How serious is this discrimination, I can't really believe it's so bad, but what would I know? And surely some places value a CELTA, at least it can't be a negative thing. My only experience is of Istanbul, where there is a wide range of types of employment as an English teacher, but where teachers are often treated badly by schools more intrested in money than genuine Education. I assume this is the same in most places in the world, panama too? any comments?
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ls650



Joined: 10 May 2003
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Location: British Columbia

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:12 pm    Post subject: Re: don't dissuade me! Reply with quote

qatherine wrote:
How serious is this discrimination, I can't really believe it's so bad, but what would I know?


This discrimination stinks - and it cuts both ways. I recently received a job posting from a school in the Middle East. Oh, but there's no point in applying; it's "UK/Irish only".

I think that in Mexico, there is a slight preference for the "North American" flavour of English. Luckily, it's not like this everywhere. At the school where I work, the mix is currently spread evenly between English, Canadians, and Americans. I've suggested that the next time we hire new staff, it might be good for the students to bring in an Aussie or a Kiwi just so that we have a more cosmopolitan mix...
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pirateinpanama



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jello 1:
hey, no offense taken. I'm just telling the original poster what the deal is here. She /he will find out for themselves when they arrive. Needless, to say, I wish the person the very best.
If I were interested in teaching...say, Hong Kong for example, someone might tell me I need a British accent. I wouldn't want to arrive there with high hopes and not fully understanding the situation that I was walking into.
Competition? No, I don't think so.
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qatherine



Joined: 09 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jello,
maybe it's uk/irish only because of visa / work permit problems? rather than an accent issue. just a thought.
Katherine
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qatherine



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry, I meant to say that to ls650.
Katherine
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