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Aristotle
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clark.w.griswald
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It has been an obligation for many years now for legal foreign teachers in Taiwan to join the National Health Insurance.
What are you talking about when you say before June 2005?
Edit - Well now that Aristotle has changed the title of this thread, and his comments above, this thread has become somewhat confusing. Unfortunately, Aristotle is still incorrect as he now asserts that foreigners CANNOT join the National Labor Insurance program. I am sure that we could if we wanted to bt who would want to. We are quite rightly being excused from the program along with other groups that have received due consideration. What exactly is your point Aristotle?
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Aristotle
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| What are you talking about when you say before June 2005? |
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Please call the numbers listed at the bottom of the handbook for more information.
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Bureau of Labor Insurance
No.4, Sec. 1, Roosevelt Rd., Taipei City
(02) 23961266
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:50 am Post subject: |
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Why do I need to waste money calling them? I already know that Labor Insurance has been compulsory for foreign workers for some time.
You post here that this will only become compulsory in June 2005. I am sure that you didn't just pluck this out of the air, or just post it here to try to get exposure for your secret society. Or did you! 
What is the source of your information that you chose to post here? |
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Aristotle
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Labor insurance is not the same as Health insurance. Think social welfare, unemployment insurance and retirement benefits.
I have called different offices and received totally different answers. |
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Ki
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| So why are you promoting for everyone else to become confused? If you have received different answers from different offices what makes you think we will be any better off? |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Aristotle wrote: |
Labor insurance is not the same as Health insurance.
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Really! Care to outline the differences with some sources to relevant legislation. I assume that if they are indeed so different then they will have different legislation governing them.
I've searched, and the best that I can find is the following:
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| Taiwan's NHI, a unified health insurance system that aims to cover every Taiwanese citizen, was officially inaugurated on March 1, 1995. Prior to this, Taiwan's health care system included ten separate health insurance programs, the three most prominant being the Labor Insurance (LI), the Government Employees' Insurance (GEI), and the Farmer's Health Insurance (FHI). |
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ccba/cear/issues/spring98/text-only/fan.htm
From this source it appears that Labor Insurance was replaced by the National Health Insurance program back in 1995. If so, then I find the point of your original post somewhat confusing. How can there be new guidelines coming in force, for legislation that was discontinued almost ten years ago?
Your original link doesn't work. Care to provide another one. What does BLI stand for anyway?
People still refer to Labor Insurance, but they are almost definitely referring to the insurance provided by the National Health Insurance plan.
You seem convinced that they are seperate, maybe you care to outline these differences. It would appear that I may have been right and you may be desperately looking for posts to support your now waning secret society. |
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Aristotle
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:24 am Post subject: |
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I have been informed by a labor lawyer that the new regulations do not apply to foreigners.
"The program excludes workers who have been covered by the insurance programs for civil servants, teachers and military servicemen as well as those who have gained old-age benefits. Foreigners are also excluded from the program. "
http://www.taiwanheadlines.gov.tw/20020426/20020426p4.html
Foreigners don't pay labor insurance on Taiwan!
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/business/detail.asp?GRP=E&id=57612
Starting in the summer of 2005 all employers on Taiwan will be mandated with paying the bulk of the Labor Insurance premiums for Republic of China nationals legally employed on Taiwan.
The government passed this law to try to establish a type of social welfare or social security and retirement pension plan for the elderly.
The problem is that social welfare is an unknown concept to the local population if it does not include red envelopes and making grandma sleep in box.
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clark.w.griswald
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| Well now that Aristotle has changed the title of this thread, and his comments above, this thread has become somewhat confusing. Unfortunately, Aristotle is still incorrect as he now asserts that foreigners CANNOT join the National Labor Insurance program. I am sure that we could if we wanted to but who would want to. We are quite rightly being excused from the program along with other groups that have received due consideration. What exactly is your point Aristotle? |
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Xenophobe
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| Once again, cranial constipation has struck Aristotle. My wife and I have both been enrolled in Lao Bao (sp?) as well as Jen Bao. We, including our children have been issued resident visas and ARCs. No wheels had to be greased, but then that happens in every country, in certain cases. |
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Aristotle
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| I am sure that we could if we wanted to but who would want to. |
Foreigners on Taiwan have long since learned that they do as they are told or face the consequences. Freedom of choice is an unknown concept on Taiwan as is respect for the people by the government.
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| Lao Bao (sp?) as well as Jen Bao |
Again this is the new labor insurance or in fact the third phase of the original labor insurance act that was supposed to be implemented last year. It mandates that employers put 6% of an employees pay into a retirement account. Employers are forbidden by law from deducting this amount from salaries but when has the law ever meant anything to the Taiwanese.
The new labor insurance program is flawed so tragically I doubt the people putting their money in now will ever see a penny.
It is based on the US social security system that only works if the funds are safeguarded against government reallocation and if the population remains stable. Neither of those two factors exist and the outright prohibition of foreigners from participation means even if real immigration were ever allowed it would not help save the system. |
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