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GreenDestiny



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:31 am    Post subject: Fun Language International teaching experience? Reply with quote

Hi there. Does anyone have any information on Fun Language International schools in BKK?

Thanks!
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bluffer



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never heard of them. Where are they based? Have they got a web site?

It might ring some bells then.
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Placebo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work for Fun Language and I can only speak positively of them. In fact, Fun Language is a company rather than a group of schools. They pretty much work like an agency, having contracts with several(over 40) schools, which they provide with English teachers. The difference to the classical agency is that you teach in schools on a regular basis throughout the semester.

They always pay on time, provide training and assistance which is good for the inexperienced teacher.

I can truly recommend Fun Language to anybody who is new to the EFL field.


If you read the job informational journal, you'll find a couple of posts about Fun Language.

Hope this helps...


www.funlanguage.co.th
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PKB



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the name!
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bluffer



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

28-30K with a 2 week bonus at the end??????

My god how generous can they get????

If you have a degree and a CELTA /TESOL they are at the LOW end of the scale for jobs. Doesnt say anything about paying for work permits or visa. doesnt say anything about school terms. I dont know if I am reading in between the lines but you may be expected to do a summer camp in the holidays as well.

I wouldnt recommend them. You can easily get a job at 40k plus elsewhere.

Look at the jobs page here on Daves or on www.ajarn.com

The majority of agencies here put you into one school for the year. There are some but not many that say you have 1 day here and two days there etc
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GreenDestiny



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the responses!
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Placebo



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluffer wrote:
28-30K with a 2 week bonus at the end??????

My god how generous can they get????

If you have a degree and a CELTA /TESOL they are at the LOW end of the scale for jobs. Doesnt say anything about paying for work permits or visa. doesnt say anything about school terms. I dont know if I am reading in between the lines but you may be expected to do a summer camp in the holidays as well.

I wouldnt recommend them. You can easily get a job at 40k plus elsewhere.


You are right about the salary, but I never said that they are the most generous company in terms of salary... What I was trying to say is that Fun Language is a good starting point for inexperienced and/or unqualified teachers.

I had a good time there and I certainly don't regret it.

No offense bluffer, but in order to recommend or not recommend a company you need to have worked for it.

Sure, there are plenty of better paying jobs out there but without experience and minimal TEFL qualifications you will not land a 40k plus gig....
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kenkannif



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Placebo wrote:

No offense bluffer, but in order to recommend or not recommend a company you need to have worked for it.


No, you don't at all if you've spent any reasonable amount of time here!
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Placebo



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenkannif wrote:
Placebo wrote:

No offense bluffer, but in order to recommend or not recommend a company you need to have worked for it.


No, you don't at all if you've spent any reasonable amount of time here!


Well, if you judge a school solely on the criteria of salary and the possibility of obtaining work permit, then you might recommend "BCC" or the "Thai Christian School". I heard they pay pretty well and I'm sure you'll get a work permit!

Come on now... It takes more than just looking at some webpage to make an accurate judgment.
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kenkannif



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're two different schools mate.

BCC is good I know people that work there and overall they're pretty darn happy.

The other school you mention does seem to have a bad reputation however.

I didn't mention websiyes or pages mate??? I'm talking about being here (in Thailand) for a reasonable amount of time is all.

Basically the statement:

Quote:
but in order to recommend or not recommend a company you need to have worked for it.


Is incorrect, is all I was saying. Of course you can recommend or not recommend if you don't or haven't worked for them.
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Placebo



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to sound like a clever sh*t, but I know they're two different schools, mate... When I say BCC, I'm referring to the BCC language school, not the Bangkok Christian College.

My comment about webpages was referring to bluffer's comments. He was the one who didn't recommend Fun Language based on his 'web page analysis'.

Placebo wrote:

No offense bluffer, but in order to recommend or not recommend a company you need to have worked for it.

Yes, my statement may not be entirely correct...

I know that if you live in BKK for a while, you hear a lot about other schools. And yes, I might not recommend a school to someone, but if I chose to do so, than it's because I have a little bit more information than bluffer has about Fun Language .

I'm not trying to argue with you. All I was trying to say is that Fun Language is a good company to work for... I had a good time there and feel somewhat annoyed when people judge them in a public forum without knowing anything about them.
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kenkannif



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No worries at all.
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bluffer



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They may be a "good" company to work for from your perspective but there are places where you can walk into a 40k+ job with no experience.

Granted I havent worked for them, but I have had enough experience to pick up clues on things that they mention or fail to mention on the web site which rings alarm bells. The vaguer the information, the more I would be worried. They are pretty vague in some of the important areas. So my recommendation stands.

You havent said, did you get a work permit, where they offering one, did you have to work a summer camp?

And without getting into the "how much do you need to live on", an extra 5-10k a month makes a big big difference at that level.

And yes, I do agree that just because someone pays big its not going to be perfect - but then you are in a well paid shit job instead of a poorly paid shit job. I know which one I would like. Smile
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Placebo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I did not get a work permit. They only get you a permit if you stay longer than your 1 year contract. If this rings "alarm bells", then you fail to realise that 80% of all EFL teachers in Thailand work "illegally". Big deal...

And no, I didn't have to do a summer camp but I chose to do so. summer camps seem to ring your "alarm bells" too. It was actually a nice experience.

I'm not going to get into the issue of what is more important: money or work conditions. This issue has been dealt with in other threads. While I don't totally disagree with you that a reasonable salary should be part of the criteria when selecting a job, there are plenty of other things that are just as important.

From my perspective a "good" company or school has a pleasant work environment and reasonable workload. 30k is "from my perspective" a reasonable salary for unqualified and inexperienced teachers. You may not agree, but there are even plenty of qualified and experienced teachers out there, who work for not much more than 30k. Surely, they could earn more elsewhere but they seem to have other reasons for keeping their current job.


bluffer wrote:
The vaguer the information, the more I would be worried. They are pretty vague in some of the important areas. So my recommendation stands.


Again, you only have looked on their wep page... Yes, the information on the page may be vague but don't forget that some people actually do go to an interview before they accept a job...


Your recommendation stands, so does mine! Smile
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bluffer



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Placebo wrote:
No, I did not get a work permit. They only get you a permit if you stay longer than your 1 year contract. If this rings "alarm bells", then you fail to realise that 80% of all EFL teachers in Thailand work "illegally". Big deal...


Except that you have go and do visa runs which cost money every month and at that level of salary that HURTS. You also lay yourself open to being arrested by the mib ( yes, a very very very slim chance but.. ) You are at the end of the day breaking the law. If it was a decent company it would offer a work permit immediately.

Placebo wrote:

bluffer wrote:
The vaguer the information, the more I would be worried. They are pretty vague in some of the important areas. So my recommendation stands.


Again, you only have looked on their wep page... Yes, the information on the page may be vague but don't forget that some people actually do go to an interview before they accept a job...


And I bet if they gave out accurate information they would have very few people being interviewed.
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