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jaytee



Joined: 28 Sep 2004
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Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:47 am    Post subject: Sharing The Experience Reply with quote

I know that this question has been asked before, but I never bothered to take any notice of it previously.
The following question was recently brought before me and I wasn't sure of the most appropriate answer.
What is the general consensus on traveling to another country with a friend, either same sex or opposite, to teach esl, and what is the general ruling on teaching with a partner, whether you are married or not?
If, theoretically, any of the above is possible, is it likely that a job could be found where the school would be happy to hire 2 people with conflicting interests?
And finally, regardless of laws or rules applying to the aforementioned issue, what is your opinion on the matter?
I am interested to hear people's thoughts and apologies if I am asking a question that has been brought to the forum a million times before.
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wel you will have very different responses if you're expecting to find work and room with a friend or a "friend". 2 rooms or 1? Some countries frown on unmarried couples living together. Of course, the school can save money by having a couple share an apt rather than finding and furnishing (at times) 2 apts. Often 2 people are more stable than a single individual as well. It really depends.

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is it likely that a job could be found where the school would be happy to hire 2 people with conflicting interests?
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dyak



Joined: 25 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you trawl through ELT jobs you do see one or two that actually encourage couples to apply. I saw one yesterday but i can't remember where.

I know the implied meaning of a 'couple' has quite a wide scope these days, but, as Gordon said, it should be culturally acceptable to the host country.
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jaytee



Joined: 28 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your responses; I suspected that it would vary from school to school.
What I meant by 'conflicting interests', was the same as if two people are seeing each other in an office, the boss isn't going to like this because he would be concerned that the employees are more interested in each other than their work.
As was said, everywhere is different and jobs for couples are seen on occasions, have you noticed a pattern between countries? For example, China might frown upon unmarried couples, whereas Thailand may not be concerned.

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Girl Scout



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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Location: Inbetween worlds

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work in Taiwan with my husband. We both work at the same school. The school I work at often hires couples, married or not. I have met many couples working here. There seems to be no trouble with the boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. My boss sees hiring a couple as a good risk.
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Magoo



Joined: 31 Oct 2003
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Location: Wuhan, China

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard of a Chinese school getting sniffy about unmarried couples living together. Even Chinese university students are doing it, now! My (Chinese) wife and I lived together for several months before jumping the broom, yet the only problem was my boss, who was against foreigners marrying Chinese women, racist plick. It would be a good idea to at least say to your students that you are married. Same sex? Just say that you're old friends and don't mind sharing Wink .
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vre



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Turkey the majority of language schools/ unis/ colleges etc. don't mind at all. It may make paperwork slightly easier if you are married but it doesn't matter if you're not married (maybe it would be slightly different in the really small conservative places). In fact, some places also like to hire couples for the same reasons mentioned in previous posts.
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nolefan



Joined: 14 Jan 2004
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Location: on the run

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the adds I've seen for Japan, Korea and China usually mention "couples preferred". My wife and I teach at the same university in China and we have not had any problems or issues. If anything, the school seems to take pride in the fact that they have a married couple teacing for them.

I'll be honest and mention that sometimes, it can be hard to deal with the constant interaction and the monotony of having the same job at the same school. There are times when both of us need time apart and I just hit the road for a few days and come back refreshed and ready for another round.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most of the adds I've seen for Japan, Korea and China usually mention "couples preferred".

Not true for Japan. Oh, there are a few that have such ads, but it is actually a rarity. Many that advertise like that are looking for teachers for very young children.

To answer the original post, for Japan anyway, it will be a hit and miss thing as to whether conversation schools hire couples, married or otherwise. Part of the reason is manpower. Part of the reason is that they don't want to deal with finding substitutes if both people decide to take a vacation at the same time (harder to locate 2 than 1 subs). Another issue is whether you both need a visa. Married people don't both need one; if one person has a FT job, the other can work PT on a dependent visa.

One outfit here (AEON) does not permit couples, even married ones, from living together. Otherwise, expect no real compensation from the other places in the way of providing a larger apartment. Some employers have apartments that you share with strangers, so bringing a mate/partner/friend only complicates things for some. For some, it's not a problem. Most employers have single apartments, which are quite small, so 2 people could live in them, but it would be even more cramped than for just one person.

As far as whether you are married or not, Japan doesn't really care.

Something else to consider from your end, do you really want to work for the same employer in the same office, see the same staff and students all day, then come home and have nothing new to talk about?
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VanKen



Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Location: Calgary, AB Canada

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magoo wrote:
My (Chinese) wife and I lived together for several months before jumping the broom, yet the only problem was my boss, who was against foreigners marrying Chinese women, racist plick.

Some schools might prefer hiring a couple to ensure that their teachers won't be hitting on the students, or marrying them.
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Deconstructor



Joined: 30 Dec 2003
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Location: Montreal

PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanKen wrote:
Some schools might prefer hiring a couple to ensure that their teachers won't be hitting on the students, or marrying them.


Jees, no hitting on the students? Why did I become a teacher then? to teach English? What's up with that?! Usually when I tell the DOS I am evaluating a student, I mean that I'm checking her ability for future perfect, i.e. how perfect we can be together in the future.

Seriously, if we didn�t date students, who could we date? As teachers where are we supposed to meet people? Most find love interests at work and not in some crummy bar.

You can date another teacher, but who in their right mind would date an EFLer? Eeeekkk!!

Eventually I did marry a student of mine and we're very happy together.
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