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george31



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:31 am    Post subject: Credit cards? Reply with quote

Ok, i applied to NOVA and yes i know all the talk of nova bla bla bla but they r the only company i can work for in japan without a degree (unless someone wishes to tell me otherwise) - ANYWAYS -

I know pay is dolled out monthly - this is a very big shock when most pay in australia is weekly or fortnightly. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to obtain a credit card to pay for things so i can pay the bill of when i get my monthly pay?

I understand self control is required but i do have that. Plus i would put a $500 cap on it or something.

Also would you apply for a credit card in australia or japan?

thank you!
george
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:41 am    Post subject: Re: Credit cards? Reply with quote

george31 wrote:
Ok, i applied to NOVA and yes i know all the talk of nova bla bla bla but they r the only company i can work for in japan without a degree (unless someone wishes to tell me otherwise) - ANYWAYS -

I know pay is dolled out monthly - this is a very big shock when most pay in australia is weekly or fortnightly. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to obtain a credit card to pay for things so i can pay the bill of when i get my monthly pay?

I understand self control is required but i do have that. Plus i would put a $500 cap on it or something.

Also would you apply for a credit card in australia or japan?

thank you!
george



If you apply for an Australian card the bill will be charged in Australian dollars and sent to an Australian address. You would have to send money back to Australia to cover any charges on the card and that incurs bank fees.

It is unlikely you will qualify for a Japanese card as you need up to two years working experience in Japan with the same employer, and you need a japanese bank account.

You should be able to live on what a conversation school pays you, unless you have huge student loans or debt. Probably a good idea is to set up automatic payments for your rent phone, utilities etc and make sure you have enough money to cover them, thats why we recommend coming to japan with enough cash to cover initial expenses. Getting a credit card means it becomes easier to get into debt, spend money before you have earnt it. I would not recommend using a card to buy everday food and consumables etc but only use for emergencies as you will end up with a huge bill and nothing to show for it.
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worldwidealive



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to be rude, but have a little self control and make a budget, then, most importantly, stick to it. You should have no problem living on the salary at any Big 4.

WWA
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:32 am    Post subject: Re: Credit cards? Reply with quote

george31 wrote:
OI know pay is dolled out monthly - this is a very big shock when most pay in australia is weekly or fortnightly. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to obtain a credit card to pay for things so i can pay the bill of when i get my monthly pay?


Just one extra point, you dont pay bills in Japan when you get your salary sent to your account. The gas phone, electricity will be taken out on different days. Salaries are usually around the 20th or 25th for example and credit card bills are paid on the 10th of the month. You pay the bills as they fall due and make sure you have enough to pay for them. Many of the utility bills you can not pay by credit card anyway, but either bank transfer or direct credit.

If you plan to come to Japan come with at least AUS$4000 for the first two months. You will make enough working at NOVA and GEOS that you wont starve. You will only get into trouble if you go out partying 3 nights a week and dont watch your spending.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japanese credit cards also take a long time to get too. I think it was 4 months before I received mine at that is with my employer sponsoring it.
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Mike L.



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took me about a 3 weeks to get my Citibank visa.

My employer was only involved in answering one question.

"Does he actually make ****** yen a month?"

My employer said "Yes"


I'd been working there for almost 3 years so that might hav expedited the process.

Make sure you get a card with air miles.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can also pay all of your bills (except rent, of course) with cash at many convenience stores.
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chixdiggit



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The credit card thing isn't always that tough. I received a VISA, MASTERCARD, and JCB all within 14 months of arriving in Japan. At the time I was working at GEOS only making about 270,000 a month. Perhaps the size of the company helped? By that logic NOVA teachers would do well in this pursuit. On the other hand, 3 years later when I was working for a high school and corporate classes on the side, I was turned down for a card and my monthly income was about 450,000 a month. The only thing that was different was my location so perhaps it's a factor as well. My point is, there are no absolutes so give it a shot! Best of luck.
Chix.
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george31



Joined: 14 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

worldwidealive wrote:
Not to be rude, but have a little self control and make a budget, then, most importantly, stick to it. You should have no problem living on the salary at any Big 4.

WWA


i seem to remember writing exactly that - "self control" in my original post, but anyways...

aslo i am not so dis-connected in the world where i think all bills arrive on the same day - so please give me some credit ne?

finaly - i guess the reason i asked is because i do this now in australia - leave money in the bank as long as possible, pay with credit, pay off credit monthly - that way you get more interest in bank account, and also recieve point from credit which sometimes are nice to reward yourself every now and then.

anyways - thank you ... i think... i know there was some sincere information hidden amonst the sarcasm...
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space



Joined: 08 Dec 2004
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Location: japan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, Get a credit card!

What if you want to actually purchase something using the internet....

Anyway, apply for one in Austrailia... you mentioned $500 but I am sure you won't have problems getting more if you needed it.

Paying it off was mentioned as an issue... I don't see why, there will be no additional transfer fees if you set up a monthly bill payment directly from a bank account with your credit company. Even my natural gas company does this for free now.

Sometimes banks do charge for these bill payment transfers, but many offer the transfers for free if you are paying enough bills off with it.

Credit cards will not be very useful for day-to-day life in Japan, IE food. But when you do need one, not having access is a handicap.
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Willy_In_Japan



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been in Japan for 2.5 years, and I applied for a credit card last week and was turned down.

The first time I applied, I was working at GEOS, and I had been here 9 months or so. This time, I work for a dispatch company, but my Junior High School was listed as my employer on my foreigner card.

I put down that I made between 200 and 400 thousand yen a month and was turned down. I dont know what I have to do to get credit in this country. I have over 20,000 dollars in Canadian credit cards, but all I want is a card I can make small internet purchases with and pay off without having to send money to Canada.

When I went there, they said 'you have to have a home phone. I said, ok....I do, and pulled out my cell phone to get the number......she didnt even look at it and said it again, assuming I didnt have one. My friend got a little impatient and said 'well, thats a home phone number is it not!?"......at any rate, when the application was filled in, they said come back in 30 mins. I did and of course they handed me my go away letter. I wonder if they even bother submitting it. Maybe I should go with a Japanese friend next time? I just dont know.

Mad
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worldwidealive



Joined: 03 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something else to consider - MasterCard, Visa, and AMEX, have all begun a policy of adding anywhere from a 1% to a 4% fee (depending on the bank) to foreign currency credit card transactions - at least for cards issued in the USA. This "small fee" can add up and become ridiculous if you use your card a lot, so getting a card issued in Japan saves me a lot of money.

The credit card companies claim this is to recoup money lost with foreign transaction fraud, but I have a feeling some profit is involved too.

By the way George, not trying to be sarcastic or infer that you have no clue, just mostly wanted to make it clear that with some good decisions there should be no need to float bills on a credit card. I, like you, do this at home too because the air miles add up nicely and I always pay my balance in full each month.

WWA
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David W



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of places like video stores and big supermarkets and the like offer credit cards. Might be easier to get one through this route rather than a bank. We've get ones (the missus and I) that we never use. The only reason we've got them is that you get some kind of benefit when buying things at that store. As an example, one we have from the video store gets us 10% or something off our videos even when we pay cash. It doubles as a membership card.
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space



Joined: 08 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

worldwide:

Such a good point. I just remembered that my new check card does that... DOH.

Well I only had my interview with JET yesterday... so Japan isn't a sure thing yet (course I'm going anyway if they dont accept me)
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buffy



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:59 pm    Post subject: Yearly Charges Reply with quote

Are there any credit cards that don't charge a high yearly fee?
I want to get one in order to take advantage of ETC on the expressways, but the ETC capable credit cards I have seen are gold cards and require a 10,000 a year or so fee which sort of offsets the savings I would make using the ETC discount.
Citbank doesn't work with ETC at this time.
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