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ola_zajac · Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 42 Location: China

I need your help ! Exclamation

Can anybody tell me what are the regulations according Family Members coming to China together with a foreign teacher?
My husband came here with me a year ago and the College says that they will not prolonge his residence permit any more.
My husband has a fake contract with the college ( It was to be the best way for him to stay with me for more than half a year here in China, as we were said then) and now they start playing games. What should we do?

Giantbudwiser · Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:33 am Post subject:

1)get another job
2) tell your husband to start working
3) Send your husband to Hongkong and get a F visa
Cheers!!

limits601 · Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:34 am Post subject:

Can your Husband get a job in China ?

ola_zajac · Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 42 Location: China

Not really. He is not a great English speaker. He is a computer specialist and he is Polish. That is why we have a problem.
Even if I change a job which is very, veeeery likely we will have the same visa problem. That's why I am asking for the regulations about family members.

smalldog · Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Posts: 74

Regulations on employing foreign teachers seem to have become stricter recently. I would guess that this might mean that your college can no longer get him a Z visa by 'employing' him. If he doesn't have a degree, that seems likely.

Z visas are also supposedly available to spouses of workers on Z visas. Perhaps your college isn't aware of this rule. If you point it out to them it might solve the problem.

ola_zajac · Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 42 Location: China

But can our relatives stay with us here on other types of a visa?

tofuman · Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 937

While sympathetic, to a point, this is a great example of the kind of situations that develop when you involve yourself in fraudulent or illegal activity.

Have you thought about being honest with the authorities? Why not explain the situation and be prepared to leave if things don't go your way.

It seems rather absurd that a person would take a job that requires them to involve their spouse in illegal activity.

Coming here looking for solutions instead of dealing with the proper authorities and resolving the matter ethically and legally causes me to wonder "What is this person thinking?" or "Is she thinking?"

When I decided to leave my present position, after completing my contract, one of my first tasks was to find legal options that will enable me to stay in China if I choose. I found at least one. If I decide to leave, I have attractive opportunities elsewhere.

China is not the end of the world. Why would you even want to work for an institution that is putting you in this position? Perhaps you would like to destroy your marriage? A friend of mine did that very thing here in China.

If you can not get this matter resolved in a legal and ethical way, just tell the school you are leaving and do it. Is your marriage that bad that you would jeopardize it to work in this place?"

Oy Vey!

ola_zajac · Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 42 Location: China

well. I DID NOT involved anybody in ANY illegal activities and I AM FULLY honest with the authorities. One of the authorities prepared the contract and we DID NOT know it was illegal. Now it appears that we have to do something about that so if anybody could say something wise and helpful instead of preaching I would stongly appreciate that.

tofuman · Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 937

Try being honest and if that doesn't work, leave! Anyone beholden to administration in this place is asking for abuse and exploitation. I make it very clear to my FAO that I can and will leave anytime.

Either your school doesn't want either of you, someone is looking for a gratuity, or sadistic people are messing with you. Why put up with any of it?

Roger · Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138

You have exactly two options:

- Get your employer to obtain a dependent's visa for your husband;
it will then be assumed he is living off you. There is no harm in
this belief, is there?

- Or he gets a one-year tourist visa and lives with you in much the same
position as if he had a dependent's visa.
He can get a 6 month or one-year tourist visa easily enough in Hong
Kong. There is no need to pretend he is going to be a "businessman".

ola_zajac · Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 42 Location: China

Thank you very much Tofuman and Roger.
I really needed the information I got from you.
The man,Mr Wei as he calls himself , is responsible for visas, resident permits and all other things about foreign teachers.
He is a really hateful creature which spoils our stay here. Every time we need something we have to bother the president of the college and ask him for help.
I talked to the vice president yesterday and eventually he ordered Mr Wei to prolonge my husband's residence permit.
It is another example of a college which could be quite friendly a place if not for this one person spoiling everything.

tofuman · Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 937

Ola, I'm glad that you got this matter resolved. It sounds like the problem was "C"-- sadistic people messing with you.

I'm not surprised. At the market the other day, I saw a nice little black dog. As I was calling it, a man came over and grabbed the dog by the ears in such a way that the dog was yelping in distress. He did this, not for an instant, but continued, with a gleeful smile, while the animal yelped in pain. Finally a young boy ran to him and pushed the man aside and craddled the dog in his arms.

In the USA, cruelty to animals is a significant feature of the psychopathic triad in children, the other two being bedwetting and lighting fires. Here, for some, it's just another day at the office.

You might be surprised to find that the principal is the one behind all of this. Although most of them have never seen NYPD Blue, they have the good cop, bad cop routine down fairly well.

"They serve a different God."

shuize · Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1270

I thought the third red flag in many serial killers' pasts, in addition to cruelty to animals and fire staring, was sexual abuse. Where's Talkdoc?

tofuman · Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 937

"This reinforcement starts at what is, to some, a startlingly early age. As Sexual Homicide documents, violent sexual fantasies can start as early as three years old. Children can display the �homicidal triad��fire-starting, animal torture, and late bedwetting�well before they hit puberty. In Sexual Homicide, the authors depict men who from their youths retreated into fantasy worlds, intensely strong visions of violence and sexual coercion. Nothing is, as yet, known about whether all children who have such strong and sadistic fantasies ultimately become criminals."

www.yale.edu/yfp/archives/99_humanface.html

Talkdoc · Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 696

Sociopathy (antisocial personality disorder) in adults cannot be diagnosed unless the patient met the criteria for Conduct Disorder in Childhood.

In order to diagnose a child with Conduct Disorder he (mostly) or she must meet at least three of 15 diagnostic criteria distributed across four related but different categories: Aggression to People and Animals; Destruction of Property; Deceitfulness or Theft; and, finally, Serious Violation of Rules.

The destruction of property does not have to be limited to fire-setting, but it often takes that form and their victims of cruelty can (and often are) smaller children who are forced into sexual activity (the abuse is not limited to just animals).

Late-onset nocturnal enuresis (bedwetting) is not over-represented in children with Conduct Disorder but it very well might be in those who later become serial killers (I am not familiar with that population).

Doc