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dyak



Joined: 25 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:01 am    Post subject: Prepositions are too much fun... Reply with quote

In a formal sense, when applying for a job for example.

I'm interested at the prospect of -ing

or

I'm interested in the prospect of -ing

or

I'm interested by the prospect of -ing

or are all three ok?

Can they be used universally or does it depend on context?

Confused

Cheers
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matttheboy



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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Location: Valparaiso, Chile

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd use 'by' and 'in' interchangeably without noticing but would never use 'at'. Although i have an idea that i'd use 'by' if i thought there was a slightly stronger chance of the prospect actually happening. Just a gut feeling, feel free to disagree... Very Happy
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Swan, only the second one is correct.
Personally, I found the other two to be unnatural sounding.
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankly, our prepositions are dreadful. theyre a real nightmare for students of any other language. inconsistency is the rule.

yesterday :

Abdul; "My mother is married with a businessman."
Teacher: Actually, Abdul, we should say married 'to'. A man is married 'to' a woman. Try again !
Abdul: But teacher ... why ???
Teacher: That's just the way it is.
Abdul: ??????

Thank God that in the majority of cases there is no misunderstanding.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"interested in" has over 5,500 hits on the byu concordance compared to a mere 22 for intersted by. Swan seems to have got this one right.

Incidentally Basil, I fail to see why English prepostions are any more of a nightmare for the learner than prepositions in any other language.

You just have to learn 'married to' as a lexical item, exactly as you would learn 'casado con' if you were learning Spanish.

No more illogical than saying 'bread' in one language and 'pan' in another.
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, point taken but ,while not strictly a preposition in grammatical terms, though, students find such expressions as filling out a form and filling in a form (having the same meaning) as quite ridiculous.

In fact, our son recently sent me a long list of such complexities of English language. Think he found it on the internet somewhere. Deleted it though. I'll ask him to resend it and post it here. It was quite amusing.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only ridiculous because they are breaking the lexical item into two parts (verb + preposition) instead of treating it as a whole.

We see nothing ridiculous about 'start' and 'begin' having the same meaning even though they do not have a letter in common. The problem is that we are treating phrasal verbs as grammatical items instead of lexical ones.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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students find such expressions as filling out a form and filling in a form (having the same meaning) as quite ridiculous.

Actually, there IS a difference.
You fill OUT a form (the whole thing).
You fill IN a portion of it (a space or empty box, for example).
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valley_girl



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Glenski. Also consider this: you "fill in" the blanks but you can't "fill out" the blanks. "Fill out" seems to suggest completing an entire document/report/application. Mind you, I haven't looked it up. Wink
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dyak



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's interesting, 'fill out', in that sense is not really used in British English, we would just use fill in for both.

'Fill out' is used here to suggest that someone is getting fatter or more rotund, as it were, and probably in American English too.
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