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matttheboy
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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Location: Valparaiso, Chile
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Interesting that you claim to love Argentina--where the policy of genocide against indigenous people was much more effective than it was in other Latin American countries.... |
I'd like you to explain what that has to do with the fact that i enjoy living in Argentina and that i like Argentines. Are you, in all seriousness, suggesting that i'm here because there are so few indigenous people? This clearly has nothing to do with it. That's like saying that people who move to Spain are there because they agree with that country's colonial history. Clearly ridiculous.
I enjoy living in a city and country that offers me similar cultural and personal opportunities to those i am used to Europe. The lack of an indigenous presence does not affect me either way, what happened happened a long time before i arrived and there's nothing that can be done to change it. Sad but true. Maybe if you read some of my posts on the Argentina forum you'd understand a little more why i'm here.
If you look at the history of Argentina, the almost total annihilation of the indigenous population was so successful because there were so few here in the first place. The genocidal policy was the same all over South America but met with less success in countries where there were very large indigenous populations due to the sheer numbers. Also, the demographic make up of the country has changed significantly since those days with 40-50% of Argentines now of Italian descent. These Italians arrived some time after the Spanish inspired murder spree occurred, mostly at the turn of the last century. So most of the people of Argentina today have few links with the perpetrators of the successful attempt to wipe out the indigenous population.
Your assertion that i am racist is way off the mark as well. I used to take the p*iss out of my ecuadorian friends for being shorter than me and they took the p*iss about me being taller, especially when i wellied my head against door frames, almost anything else that was hanging at a heght of under 6'2" and hunched over on hour long bus journeys ('you know, matt, being a dwarf has its advantages!') The Ecuadorians were being racist towards me for being taller? And were they also being racist when they asked the question i mentioned in my initial post (Europeans, you're really liberal aren't you huh-huh huh-huh)? I assume that because i sometimes refer to my french friends as 'froggies' and they refer to me and the english as 'les rosbifs' (Salut frog! Salut rosbif! Ca Va?) that i and they are racist as well.
And to be honest, i don't care that you didn't give me permission to 'tutear' you. I didn't ask for it. Me entendes? |
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matttheboy
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Posts: 854
Location: Valparaiso, Chile
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Guy, i've had a great Monday...no work today, been to the gym, sunbathed, went to MALBA (Museo de Arte Latino Americano de Buenos Aires), cycled through the park, played with my cats and now about to settle down and watch the 2nd episode of "Lost"  ...tomorrow's a b*stard though and i've got another weekend in Santiago to not look forward to in a few days... |
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Guy Courchesne
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't complain if I got to travel as much as you do...I'm dying for a trip down to Chile and Argentina. You have a sofa for me to stay on? I'd be happy to reciprocate, though you share with two very amorous dogs.  |
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matttheboy
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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Location: Valparaiso, Chile
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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I rather value my leg actually..maybe a few more weeks down the gym and i'd have enough strength to shake the bugge rs off  My cats are starting to get a bit amorous as well, although they're brother and sister so i think a quick trip to the vet is going on my shopping list...
Yeah, i guess i shouldn't complain too much about having to go to Chile so often. It's just that i don't actually get to travel all that much, it's (expensive) shuttle runs between BsAs and Santiago nada mas, although going to the seaside is always a plus (as is the fact that we have to leave santiago to get there!). |
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Breezee
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Posts: 19
Location: Chile
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, that picture is really starting to bother me. |
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Alitas
Joined: 19 May 2003
Posts: 187
Location: Maine
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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In good ol' New England chicks can ask guys out.
Matt, anyone ever ask you out in your adventures there?
Carry on.
Alitas-loves-football-too-and-not-the-kind-with-silly-helmets |
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matttheboy
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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Location: Valparaiso, Chile
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Alitas,
well in Ecuador foreigners are very much a 'catch' and being tall, blue-eyed and apparently blond (i'd personally call my hair colour 'mousy' to light brown at best but i'm 'rubio' wherever i go in Lat Am) i did receive some very definite come ons. I had an Ecuadorian girlfriend so never acted on them...it certainly helped my self-esteem though... The thing about ecuador is that i didn't find ecuadorian women particularly attractive. So when i arrived in Argentina, where the ladies are absolutely beautiful, i had started to believe that i was male model material...an illusion quickly shattered when i was cold shouldered time and time again...i couldn't believe it, i was like a kid in a sweet shop but i wasn't alllowed to take anything 
In a year in Argentina i haven't had the blatant come ons like in ecuador and also peru when i travelled there. Here it's far more like in Spain or France. There's no advantage being English or American, but i kind of like that, i prefer subtle flirting to overly obvious 'i want you' vibes. Obviously, having a girlfriend means that i'm not actually looking out for the subtle signs here very much so maybe i'm just missing them...? I'd like to think so
Chile is similar to Argentina but the ladies are a little more impressed by one's foreign-ness there. Not much more though.
The other thing to note is that Ecuadorians, Peruvians and, to a much lesser extent Chileans, don't act like that with their own countrymen. For example, my Equatoriana friends told me that if they went up to equadorian men in a bar and came on to them, asked them for a drink or to dance the man would think she's a slag. It's such a strange culture, all the men are desperately out looking for a sha g but almost all of them say that they want their wives to be virgins. It just doesn't add up.
Similarly, here in Argentina the men make some seriously seriously OTT advances on foreign women in bars (such as 'Let's go back back to my place and f*cuk') which doesn't happen to quite the same extent to Argentine women. I guess they're on the look out for those foreigners on holiday looking for a quick latin romance before heading back to the day job. |
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moonraven
Joined: 24 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Matt:
No, I do NOT understand you. Don't bother to "tutear" me in Spanish if you can't conjugate the verb "entender" correctly.
What I do understand, from reading your last post is that you think by typing a load of rationalizing nonsense and posting it that you think you can weasel out of the responsibility for your incredibly mean-spirited and racist comments. Well, sorry, but you can't.
I also understand that you like living in Argentina because it has a "European" culture--which means very few indigenous people. And you don't like being in countries that have a high percentage of indigenous people. And you don't find Ecuadorian women attractive--hmmmm, I don't have to wonder why that is.
Since you have made yourself a stereotype on this forum--tall, mousy blond Brit who only wants to relate with "European" culture(s), who believes he is God's gift to the ignorant, semi-literate Latin Americans--don't complain when I treat you in accordance with the image you have presented of yourself.
And since you only want to to relate to "Europeans", why not go back home? |
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Alitas
Joined: 19 May 2003
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Location: Maine
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:11 am Post subject: |
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Moonraven unless you would like to have sex with Matt, can you try and post on-topic?
thanks   |
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moonraven
Joined: 24 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Alitas:
Who made you moderator on this forum? Being the OP has zero privileges. As does being a professional virgin.... |
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matttheboy
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Posts: 854
Location: Valparaiso, Chile
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| moonraven wrote: |
Matt:
No, I do NOT understand you. Don't bother to "tutear" me in Spanish if you can't conjugate the verb "entender" correctly.
What I do understand, from reading your last post is that you think by typing a load of rationalizing nonsense and posting it that you think you can weasel out of the responsibility for your incredibly mean-spirited and racist comments. Well, sorry, but you can't.
I also understand that you like living in Argentina because it has a "European" culture--which means very few indigenous people. And you don't like being in countries that have a high percentage of indigenous people. And you don't find Ecuadorian women attractive--hmmmm, I don't have to wonder why that is.
Since you have made yourself a stereotype on this forum--tall, mousy blond Brit who only wants to relate with "European" culture(s), who believes he is God's gift to the ignorant, semi-literate Latin Americans--don't complain when I treat you in accordance with the image you have presented of yourself.
And since you only want to to relate to "Europeans", why not go back home? |
Dear me, you are barking up the wrong tree here moonraven. As per usual. Yes i prefer to live in Argentina because i can relate more to the culture. I think that's understandable, i mean why live somewhere where you don't feel as though you fit in? It has nothing to do with the amount of indigenous people whatsoever. I don't dislike countries because they have a high percentage of indigenous people, you've simply made that up. I just prefer to live in a cosmpolitan city where life is fun, the people are fun, i don't get stared at the second i leave the house and there's always, always something to do.
I loved living in Quito, have some really good equadorian friends but for a number of reasons, including crime, lack of cultural activities, pretty rubbish food, lack of opportunities for long term living and yes, women that i, personally, generally don't find attractive (in the same way i don't english girls to be very attractive, lots of mingers where i come from). I don't see how finding Argentinas more attractive is racist. It's simply personal preference.
Argentina has a european *culture*, without a doubt, and i love that. Here i can live well for a fraction of the cost in europe and i prefer argentines to french and spanish people (and most certainly british people). There are business opportunities to be taken advantage of, i feel safe and the food and wine are amazing. Buenos Aires is one of the world's great cities. And i don't want to relate only to Europeans as you say. I want to relate to Argentines, in the country in which i live, and my Chilean girlfriend. They are not European. Last time i checked anyway.
And how does me admitting to being tall, blond-ish and british (British, not 'a Brit') make me a stereotype? That's what i look like and is where i'm from. I also thought that you didn't approve of racial stereotyping yet were happpy to racially stereotype me. Hypocrisy again.
I never said i only want to hang out with europeans. Again you made that part up. As you did with the part about 'ignorant, semi-literate Latin Americans' (your exact words, maybe they come from your subconscious?). And the part about being 'god's gift'. Actually, you make a lot of things up in order to prove your point, don't you?
And before you try to belittle the spanish i write you may wish to check how argentines speak, me entendes? O podes hablar mexicano nada mas? Cachai? (that's Chilean by the way) Oh look Spanish is different in every country, wow...
And i shall continue to tutear con vos because i only use 'usted' with people i respect. |
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Alitas
Joined: 19 May 2003
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Location: Maine
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| Well, it made me giggle, at least. As did the pro virgin comment! I suppose it is better than pro ho. Really the only thing keeping me pro-vi is the maldita distancia at this point. |
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Guy Courchesne
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| Alitas wrote: |
| Well, it made me giggle, at least. As did the pro virgin comment! I suppose it is better than pro ho. Really the only thing keeping me pro-vi is the maldita distancia at this point. |
Now THAT is a classic post. My wife just asked me why I'm laughing so hard, and why we just heard Paulie's jaw drop from 2000 km away. |
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matttheboy
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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Location: Valparaiso, Chile
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Oh god, i just noticed what you wrote above my post Alitas...gerontophilia is not my cup of tea so i'm a bit worried that moonraven hasn't actually denied the interest. Apparently (i'm not allowed to draw my conclusions as to my type) I only like tall, blond, european 16 year olds so moonraven's age and mix of canadian/american/native american/whatever other race or nationality is the flavour of the day just doesn't get me going.
Back to the topic though, i met my girlfriend originally in england where nothing happened but we kept in touch and 6 months later i pitched up in santiago for a day and a half to hook up with some friends to carry on travelling. I ditched my friends, got invited to my girlf's christmas and ended up staying. However, my girlf recently sheepishly admitted that she assumed i was only staying for a few extra days to try to get her into bed. She told me that she thought she may as well take advantage of this and get me into bed herself. That wasn't my sole intention actually as i'd liked her for ages in england and seeing as i didn't have any firm plans would've quite happily hung around to see where things went. So basically, our relationship started out with me thinking she was a nice, sweet girl but in actual fact she was worse than me!! You'd never think it to look at her...one never can tell...
Just out of interest, how does one become a professional virgin? Are born again virgins allowed? Is there a union? Benefits? |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005
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Location: Pittsburgh
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:56 am Post subject: |
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matttheboy wrote,
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| being Ecuadorian they were only 2 foot tall). |
Moonraven replied,
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| mattheboy's racist stereotyping (all Ecuadorians are two feet tall, "short-arsed dwarves", etc.) is typical of the kind of behavior that gives EFL teachers a bad name in Latin America. It should not be tolerated on this forum. |
I do not mean to be mean but I cannot believe that they let people teach English that do not even know the difference between race and nationality. Ecuadorian is the adjective used to describe the nationality of someone from Ecuador. Someone from Ecuador could be mestizo, white, or black. So how could mettheboy be racist? He might be talking about someone of his own race.
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