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British vs. American English, Tea Leaves, Tampons and MORE!
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 2:10 pm    Post subject: Up up and away Reply with quote

Dear Wolf,
" Some of us live in parts of the world where a low entertainment threshold is a fact of life.."
And some of us in parts where we'd have to ascend in a balloon to reach a low entertainment threshold.
Regards,
John
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R



Joined: 07 May 2003
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Location: United Kingdom

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John: LOL! I guess I DO have a lot to learn.

Rob.
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Shonai Ben



Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob:
I usually "learn" something new everyday.
Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?
BTW,how is your Japanese study coming along?
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 4:15 pm    Post subject: Doggedness Reply with quote

Dear Shomai Ben,
" Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks? "
In my experience, most of the time it's the old dog who says that. And it's sheer cussedness, stuck-in-my-ways and/or laziness. One of the main reasons I love teaching is that it's a sneaky way to be a perpetual student.
I'm not too often sure just how much my students are learning, but if it's even only 1/2 what I am, they doing just fine.
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John
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R



Joined: 07 May 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Genki desu ka, Ben-San?

And that's about the size of it!

Rob.
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Shonai Ben



Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Genki desu,Rob-san.
Gombatte ne.

Japanese is a difficult language to learn imo.
Don't give up though.I am still studying too.
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Steiner



Joined: 21 Apr 2003
Posts: 573
Location: Hunan China

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, Brits, anyone know the word "leiothrix?" Today I had my students writing stories about pictures I gave them and one of the students said that her picture showed a leiothrix landing on someone's head. She showed me a page of birds in the back of her dictionary and there, along with sparrows, penguins, ostriches, hawks, and all the other birds I know, was a leiothrix. What in heaven's name is a leiothrix doing next to robins and wrens? It's not in onelook.com, but I found it elsewhere on the web. All I want to know is whether it's a word commonly used anywhere outside the U.S.
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rogan



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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Location: at home, in France

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I'm not in front of aclas - I'm on paid holiday until September
(That's he beauty of working in the French State system Laughing )

And I still lok a pretty fool Embarassed
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:27 pm    Post subject: nice toupe' Reply with quote

Hello Steiner:

Just when I thought this thread was finally going to die, up pops the ugly head of the red-billed leiothrix for all of us to enjoy! Move over tea leaves and chocolate tampons ... this is serious:

Scientific name: Leiothrix lutea
Family: Timaliidae
Order: Passeriformes
Class: Aves

PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS:
The Red-billed Leiothrix is a babbler whose length is about 14cm. They are beautifully marked with bright coloring. The adults have bright red bills and a dull yellow ring around their eyes. Their backs are dull olive green and have a bright yellow-orange throat with a yellow chin. They have forked tails. Female Leiothrix are similar to males but with a duller shade. Juveniles have black bills and gray coats. This Leiothrix is also known for it's vocalizations. It sings loud, melodious songs.

DISTRIBUTION and HABITAT:
Red-billed Leiothrix are native to Southern Asia and are now found on the Hawaiian Islands. These birds were first introduced to Kauai in 1918. Sometime later, these birds were introduced to the other islands. Leiothrix prefer to inhabit underbrush's at all elevations with a cover of dense vegetation near the ground. Some birds have been found at elevations of 9,000 feet. Flocks of Leiothrix's have been known to fly up to elevations of 13,500 feet for a short period of time. These birds favor areas with at least 40 inches of rain.
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Steiner



Joined: 21 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, yes Kent. Thank you, but what I really want to know is whether it is a commonly-referred-to bird in some parts of the English speaking world.

Anyone in the U.S. could point out, "Hey, there's a crow/vulture/starling/sparrow/cardinal/goldfinch/whatever!" But I've never heard anyone say "Hey, there's a red-billed leiothrix!" I haven't even heard anyone refer to a yellow leiothrix. Maybe it's because leiothrixes aren't common in the U.S.?

Supposedly they're kept as pets in the U.K., so I was hoping that someone could tell me, "Of course, every civilised person knows what a leiothrix is. It's as common as a parakeet." Or, "Why would anyone need to know what a leiothrix is? No civilised person knows what a leiothrix is."
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Irish



Joined: 13 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 11:01 pm    Post subject: For what it's worth Reply with quote

I've always heard them called (Japanese) hill robins or Pekin robins, not leiothrix. Then again, I live in town where we never see them. Maybe the proper name is better known in the rural areas where they're more common. I'm curious as to what our U.K. friends and associates have to say on the subject.
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:01 am    Post subject: I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but ... Reply with quote

Hello again Steiner and Irish:

Assuming we have the right spelling, and it's not in the www.onelook.com/ database [which searches over 900 dictionaries] I'd have to say that the only person that's ever heard of a red-billed leiothrix is that wacky bird-lover with binoculars around his neck, perched in the treetops of some remote tropical island. Very Happy

In other words, 'leiothrix' is the scientific name (like Homo Sapiens) which is uncommon in normal speech. 'Hill Robins' is just so much easier!

Am I brilliant or what? Shocked

Kind regards,
keNt
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selmo



Joined: 12 Jun 2003
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Location: China

PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In response to to starting point invigilator
sorry but anybody who knows anything about how the english language works can work it out have you never heard of the word vigil or vigilante for gods sake I didn't know all Americans were that slow.
My good mate from Chicago thought the funniest thing us Brits said was " lets go smoke a fag !"
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 3:37 am    Post subject: Duh Reply with quote

Dear selmo
me slow merican - me no understand all word in english. but may be some day me be half fast, like people who think all mericans that slow.
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John
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ESL Guru



Joined: 18 May 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steiner: "All I want to know is whether it's a word commonly used anywhere outside the U.S."

Hey bro, who finds me to the right of him - (does that make me your right hand man?)

What on God's little green earth makes you think this word is commonly used in the good ol U.S. of A.?

Leave it to a Chinese ESL student to study the dictionary, even memorize it, and then try to use the new words without a wit of cultural or environmental understanding.
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