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calsimsek · Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 775 Location: Ist Turkey

You know the more I read this the more ı understand that we attack each other much more than our hosts attack us. Regardless of the issue, at every oppertunity we try to gain point against our enermy. Perhapes the real two faced ones is all of us Embarassed

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molly farquharson · Joined: 16 Jun 2004 Posts: 839 Location: istanbul

31, what you say is so patently false, it makes me want to gag. I promised not to rise to your bait, but you make MANY unfounded claims about ET, which shows even more that you do not work with us-- as if you could work WITH anyone.

First, if you can't afford to live in Galata (where several teachers live, BTW), you can't afford to live anywhere in istanbul. Yes, we pay a housing allowance. it is not high, but it is paid monthly.

Yes, you need a degree and CELTA to work at ET. A very few teachers don't have one or the other, as I have said before, but they are good teachers, proven before they came to us. And again, sana ne? What do you offer that is so great? It is our privilege to hire who we want, and as it was indicated by several people on the deleted thread on teaching, what the teacher brings, besides the papers, is important-- energy, the desire to teach, the wish to help the students. If a person comes to teach here for the money, they are going to be sorely disappointed. However, if you are talking about a grand in TL, yes, most teachers make considerably more than that.

Yes, most of the students are nice and they appreciate the good teaching they get. Yes, most are in the lower levels, but I think that the lower levels are actually harder to teach.

You are WAY out of line in claiming that we don't hire teachers of colour. If you really worked at ET and looked around, you could see whites, blacks, Asians from several countries and many religions. They all meet the criteria we ask for, by the way. We even have a few non-native English speakers-- you haven't attacked us for that, so now's your chance.

I know how things work in this country, and it is not "just following orders." It also includes "let's work this out" and thank god for that, since often things get done easier.

Unlike Britney, I at least know how to say and use the word.

You seem to think it is OK for you to lie on this thread about where you work and to make outrageous claims, but if you don't like what someone says, you want to run to the moderator. ayip ya.

Faustino · Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 601

If you want to talk about ET, open a new thread. At this time of year there are many transcient visitors to this forum, and I don't want to discourage them from coming to Turkey, as it's a nice place to live*. I'm sure we've been through this before, anyway. 31, if you have proof that ET is more corrupt than any other organisation, lead would-be viewers to the appropriate info, via internet links if possible. This is starting to sound like a personal attack again, and we all know where that led us last time.

*Feel free to argue this point.

corall · Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 270 Location: istanbul, turkey

turkey's alright. i enjoy it here. i'm planning on staying again for another year...

31 · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797

molly farquharson · Joined: 16 Jun 2004 Posts: 839 Location: istanbul

I think that this is getting way out of line. You are repeating yourself on the false claims of English Time and I have already rebutted them, though you always manage to throw in another outrageous one every once in a while. People who read these posts can see for themselves the balance of this exchange and I don't think your attacks on my or any other school will be seen as the gospel truth. And they probably don't take mine as gospel either, which is how it should be. New people are looking for information here, not sparring. It's time to get onto another topic and take a break.

ghost · Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 1693 Location: Saudi Arabia

Turkey is not a bad place to work.....if you can stand the smoke.....and the tendency of some Turkish students to run to the Mudur at the drop of a hat.

Although the average wage (about $1000 U.S. per month) is not that high, in actual disposable income, it is probably the best deal in Europe....because if you factor in free accommodation (or subsidized, or rent allowance) EFL teachers in Turkey have more disposable income than their counterparts in countries like Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, etc....

Although some disagree...you can actually save money in Turkey....and still live and eat out, etc....

When ghost taught at a famous Kolej on the south coast, he had over $1000 a month, free room and all meals at the Kolej cafeteria....

Ghost was able to save about $800-$900 a month....because he had all he needed at his fingertips. He bought a bike to get around Antalya....

He had the free running track nearby, and the basketball courts at the Kolej. In the evenings, to de-stress after class with the monsters, he would ride the bike into Antalya centre, go for a walk, and a snack somwehere, followed by a visit to an Internet cafe....total cost...about $3 a day.....to practice his Turkish, ghost would stop off at a number of stores where the owners would invite the Yabanci for a glass of cay and a chat....great for Turkish practice...

Others can do the same....

In Canada...even if you make $60.000 a year (close to the maximum you make in teaching.....) you will save less than in Turkey....because you have mortgage payments, car payments, transport payments, and the list goes on.

Turkey is actually a decent deal, if you can put up with all the inconveniences you already know about.