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klasies
Joined: 04 Mar 2003
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Bdawg
You wrote:......... "ummm...isn't that the whole idea of quanxi???? A network of relationships that cooperate together and support one another with the aim of mutual benefit...aka..."If you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours"
Bdawg, I will type slowly so that you can follow me, ok! The point I was trying to make was that you have to scratch their back more than they scratch yours.
Perhaps I should spell it out for you: They(the leaders) always get the better deal. They do something small for you and they expect a lot more in return! |
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bdawg
Joined: 25 Feb 2004
Posts: 526
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:38 am Post subject: |
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Bdawg, I will type slowly so that you can follow me, ok! The point I was trying to make was that you have to scratch their back more than they scratch yours.
Perhaps I should spell it out for you: They(the leaders) always get the better deal. They do something small for you and they expect a lot more in return! |
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Whoa...a little condencending are we? It's not my fault you couldn't clearly explain your point. I don't know champ, sounds like your just not able to make guanxi work for you and are just bitter about it. I've noticed many foreigners in here like to blame the Chinese, China, the pollution, the water, the dog meat, or the strange customs for their alleged 'misfortune'.
You claim that you don't 'believe' in guanxi because one party is always getting f*cked by the other. Guanxi is a mutual relationship. This is the variable. It is up to YOU to make it mutual. It is YOUR responsibility. If you think you are receiving a raw deal, by all means make them give you more, or tell em' to take a hike. No one said Guanxi must be a friendly relationship.
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Bdawg
Perhaps I should spell it out for you: They(the leaders) always get the better deal. They do something small for you and they expect a lot more in return! |
Puke!
Have you come to China to engage in class warfare tossing commonplaces around?
Where in the world do leaders refrain from helping themselves first of all? |
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Norman Bethune
Joined: 19 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:39 am Post subject: Re: money making |
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| The original post left the impression that the poster didn't have any post-secondary education, just a tefl certificate. |
Could you please furnish the forum with where - exactly - the OP 'leaves this impression'?
There is no such impression given by the OP, and I for one do not believe that you have ever worked in – or even been to – Japan. |
It doesn't matter what you believe.
I never claimed anything about where or where I have been in my Post.
You are drawing a conclusion based on an omission of information in my reply.
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I'm just starting out and I'm a bit frustrated. I was originally told I could work legally almost anywhere without a degree but now it turns out that's not true. My first year I'm in this for the money then I'll be in it for the travel and culture experience. So I was hoping for South Korea till I found out the degree dilemma. |
A degree is issued for having completed University. The poster clearly states she does not have one.
She does not indicate anything about attending one or two years of university, vocational school, a community college, a CEGEP, a Seminary, a Beauty School. The omission is glaring.
Nowhere in the Post does she list any education beyond High School, or Grade school, for that matter.
The omission is glaring. A reader forms opinions based on what is included in what someone has written as well as what is omitted.
Take a close look at the original post again. Check the grammar and style. Chinese middle school students do a better job writing in english.
Would you really want to swear that the writer has any post-secondary education based soley on the evidence of her writing? I wouldn't.
When your resume indicates that you have been working as an english teacher in China or unemployed for the past ten years, some employers will assume you are a Liar, and that you have actually been in prison, a mental institution, or were a welfare bum for all that time.
People draw conclusions. So What?
Why are you so hung up on this little thing?
I've said it before, it bears repeating: "Rhetoric, get used to it." |
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dp
Joined: 14 Feb 2005
Posts: 3
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Nicbur,
I understand your predicament very well.
I really wanted to teach and looked all over to find a place that would give me a great experience as well as a provide me with enough money to pay for my Canadian college education.
Taiwan, Japan and even Korea were options at the time for places where I would be able to make some good money.
For Taiwan, you require an Associates Degree (college diploma) and a TEFL/TESOL certificate. I didn�t have the certificate which left me with Korea and Japan as my choices. (Korea now requires a University Degree)
I went for Japan using a working holiday visa and a job with NOVA that was prearranged before I left Canada. Now this in itself is a little bit shady since you�re not really suppose to have a prearranged job when you apply for your working holiday visa. Regardless I�m glad I did it.
It�s been a fantastic experience here in Japan. Even with the part time salary I was able to save money. Private students are very abundant here if you�re looking to make even more money so don�t be concerned with only having a part time job if you go to Japan.
Since I�ve been in Japan, I continued my education and have a year and a half left for a degree which I�m finishing through correspondence with Athabasca University.
I�m also going for a TEFL/TESOL certificate in May which opens a door for a chance to work in Taiwan after.
A University degree is the easiest way to get a job in many countries. The TEFL/TESOL certificate is a bonus for most jobs and in my case, an opportunity continue teaching and to fund my education. 
Hope my experience has helped you.
Good luck with which ever country you choose and enjoy your time there.
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klasies
Joined: 04 Mar 2003
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Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Bdawg
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
Posts: 2024
Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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I am one of those who came here to work 14 hours a week and make 4000 rmb a month. I work 24 hours and get 8000rmb a month. I have been offered many opportunities to work other jobs - from schools to hotels to one-on-one. These came from within the school and external. I would like extra money but I am lucky my schedule is laid out where I work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday. I have off Wednesday and the weekend. I like that. There is a lot to do here and I will soon get a mountain bike and be even more adventurous.
If I wanted to work more I could easily make an extra 2-3-4000 rmb a month or more. But, I like free time.
So, the opportunity is always there. I have a BS and an AA in Business, no TEFL or any of that but I don't need to waste the money on a $250 online course. If I want to teach English I can - but I am specializing in Business courses and can be selective. |
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Will_MN
Joined: 11 Dec 2003
Posts: 12
Location: Somewhere in china now~
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:33 am Post subject: About pay! |
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Suggestion.....
Don't work for anything under 6,000+ housing (furniture including computer ADSL, washing machine, TV, DVD, dishes, pots pans)+ Airfare + medical insurance + Airfare + more if you are in an expensive city like Shanghai, Shenzhen, Beijing, Hangzhou, Suzhou etc.
Don't work more than 20 lessons not hours lessons.
Ask yourself this:
Do you know how much they charge each student for the class with a foreign teacher?
My thoughts are if they charge the student more we should be paid more.
If they charge the students the same as having a Chinese teacher then pay us the same as a Chinese teacher.
Who is getting the money? Who is pulling up in their new BMW's? Audis'?
Not the foreign teachers not the students....
We have to risk a lot to come here to teach these people are not under privilledged, these people are making more money than you think.
The Chinese economy is the best in the World right now.
Foreign teachers are giving them tools to they need and we are not making anything in return.
The Chinese teachers get a pension, they only teach half the hours we teach. (some do have to stay in the office all day), some get bonuses we don't get.
If I take 2000 a month away from their dinner and drinking money in order to save a little for my future kids then so be it..... |
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klasies
Joined: 04 Mar 2003
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Location: China
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Will
Well put. I agree 1000% with evrything you have said! |
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